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Does the UN realise women are human?

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TonTonMacoute · 27/11/2023 23:17

Britain could be blacklisted at the UN’s human rights body over its defence of biological sex, The Telegraph can reveal.
The Equalities and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) is facing a “special review” of its international accreditation after lobbying by trans rights groups led by Stonewall, the controversial LGBT charity.
The review could leave the EHRC stripped of its so-called “A status”, which means it would no longer have a place at the table of the UN Human Rights Council and other UN bodies.

Apparently the UN think Britain must be denied a voice on Human Rights - because we insist on standing up for women’s rights!

Equalities watchdog launches study aiming to ‘reduce distress’ in trans debate

New research for Equality and Human Rights Commission seeks to ‘foster good relations and respect’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/03/12/equalities-watchdog-launches-study-aiming-reduce-distress-trans/

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EasternStandard · 28/11/2023 11:08

Dianaofthelakeofshiningwaters · 28/11/2023 10:53

Baroness Falkner on now. Describing Stonewall as antangonistic which is avery generous interpretation imho. Doing a pretty good job describing their advice to the government.

Also saying how transmen are more disadvantaged than transwomen.

Also that people need to read their letter and that has been considered in great detail.

Bit worrying that she is saying their rights could be covered by the Gender Recognition Act.

Stonewall statement more bollocks about the poor transpeople.

The GRA underpins all this. I can’t believe it was put in and has created this huge mess and no one can clean it up.

Did anyone ask if we wanted society reorganised from sex to gender, and with it all the disadvantages that brings to women and damage to children

ArthurbellaScott · 28/11/2023 11:38

transmen are more disadvantaged than transwomen

Good point. And why is that?

ArthurbellaScott · 28/11/2023 11:41

'A senior judge in the Scottish court of session has ruled that "sex" in the Equality Act means "legal sex" not biological sex'

This was a very complicated case - as far as I can make out, the effective outcome was that Haldane said that it was up to Westminster to clarify if 'sex' meant 'biological sex' in the EA.

Which is exactly what the EHRC is also saying.

Government needs to clarify that 'sex' = 'biological sex' and that 'single sex' means 'single biological sex'.

EasternStandard · 28/11/2023 11:47

ArthurbellaScott · 28/11/2023 11:41

'A senior judge in the Scottish court of session has ruled that "sex" in the Equality Act means "legal sex" not biological sex'

This was a very complicated case - as far as I can make out, the effective outcome was that Haldane said that it was up to Westminster to clarify if 'sex' meant 'biological sex' in the EA.

Which is exactly what the EHRC is also saying.

Government needs to clarify that 'sex' = 'biological sex' and that 'single sex' means 'single biological sex'.

I thought this could mean it is in progress. From the petition response. I see this as our only way out of this. Labour would squash it

‘On 21 February 2023, the Minister for Women and Equalities (MfWE) sought advice from the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) on the benefits or otherwise of an amendment to the Equality Act 2010 on the current definition of 'sex', as she was concerned that the Equality Act may not be sufficiently clear in the balance it strikes between the interests of people with different protected characteristics, particularly in the case of the protected characteristics of ‘sex’ and ‘gender reassignment’.

Having received that advice, the Minister for Women and Equalities has asked officials to undertake detailed policy and legal analysis, as per the EHRC’s request, to understand the impact of its advice on various protected groups and related issues’

RedToothBrush · 28/11/2023 11:52

The more Stonewall do this, the harder it is for them to say they are a charity not a political party.

Imnobody4 · 28/11/2023 11:59

RedToothBrush · 28/11/2023 11:52

The more Stonewall do this, the harder it is for them to say they are a charity not a political party.

Absolutely. Have they replaced Nancy Kelley yet?

ResisterRex · 28/11/2023 12:00

NothingTraLaLa · 28/11/2023 07:21

That’s from March 2022. As I recall, the lobbyists were told to bog off, and the EHRC retained its A status.

No, it seems to be a repeat attempt. But it really looks similar to the last time. It might even be the third attempt?!

ResisterRex · 28/11/2023 12:04

MishyJDI · 28/11/2023 06:55

A typical click bait article from the Telegraph.

The UN is saying biological sex, not women's right. This is a human rights issue. Remember around half of trans people are transmen. You probably work with them, and will never know.

It's about the treatment of trans people in a society, of which it is clear from these international bodies that the UK is running out of step with advancing all human rights.

The EHRC is a disgrace. It's clearly politically stacked and has low respect from sectors of the community it is meant to also represent. Why they have that is something for self reflection by the agency - though reality is they are a political branch, and the UN bodies can see through that and call it out.

No-one is taking away our women's rights in the UK. They are enshrined in the equalities act and all the exemptions are there as appropriate for separate sex facilities. It's up to each organisation how they implement it where appropriate for a legitimate purpose.

Most of the rest is political positioning and fear mongering - and the few bad eggs you get in any part of society. I guess it gives some people a hobby to get angry about.

"The UN is saying biological sex not women's right"

What does this mean? Surely that sentence is missing something?

The UN is saying biological sex not women's right is / is not important for [what purpose?]

The UN is saying biological sex not women's right / does / does not matter in [what sphere]?

OldCrone · 28/11/2023 12:04

RedToothBrush · 28/11/2023 11:52

The more Stonewall do this, the harder it is for them to say they are a charity not a political party.

They're a lobby group. They've always been a lobby group. They even used to call themselves 'The Stonewall Lobby Group'.

Does the UN realise women are human?
EasternStandard · 28/11/2023 12:06

OldCrone · 28/11/2023 12:04

They're a lobby group. They've always been a lobby group. They even used to call themselves 'The Stonewall Lobby Group'.

Yes I thought lobby group

Incredibly powerful especially since schools use them. If you can indoctrinate children you’re pretty much there.

Imnobody4 · 28/11/2023 12:08

From a tread by Dennis Kavanagh. He's on fire.

9/ What we don't expect though, and have every right not to expect, is the charity sector where not one person is elected, to go about undermining ministers, public bodies and the influence of this nation on the global stage. Stonewall have gone too far here.

10/ They regard themselves as self-appointed custodians of human rights and equality policy and seem to view the EHRC as an inconvenient adversary to be crushed and if damaging the interests of this country is what it takes, so be it. This is seriously unusual.

11/ Charities concerned with the alleviation of poverty do not grass up the chancellor to UN bodies. Charities concerned with animals don't actively undermine DEFRA. Criminal justice charities don't try to delegitimise the Lord Chancellor. SW are out of whack here and over mighty

12/ It is now high time the Charity Commission acted and that the government looked closely at this sector. We elect governments accountable to us at general elections. No one elected Stonewall and no one elected them to harm this country's influence. Enough is enough.

Imnobody4 · 28/11/2023 12:18

Sex matters have done a timeline of all the events and attacks. I have huge respect for Kishwer Falkner.

sex-matters.org/ehrc-timeline/

HagoftheNorth · 28/11/2023 13:59

VeronicaSawyer89 · 27/11/2023 23:31

This is the same UN that took 6 weeks to even acknowledge that Jewish women were raped on Oct 7th, and put Iran at the head of its human rights division. I think everyone knows the UN is a bloody joke now.

And the same UN which awarded COP28 to UAE - who have been merrily using the opportunity to persuade countries that (with the help of the UAE obvs) they can both mine their fossil fuel reserves, and support climate change (which I guess is kind of true)

NitroNine · 28/11/2023 18:24

The BBC have covered it, sounding rather gleeful at the prospect of the UK's human-rights watchdog [being] at risk of UN downgrade.

As for the UN, the Special Rapporteur on VAWG, Reem Alsalem knows what women & girls are & that it’s sex not gender that matters. She of course had to defend herself from ludicrous allegations after she pointed out massive obvious issues with ScotGov’s plans to force through self-ID come hell, high water, or a functioning ferry service. Generally though? UNWomen is an unfortunate Twitter/X handle; but it’s pretty accurate.

EasternStandard · 28/11/2023 18:39

NitroNine · 28/11/2023 18:24

The BBC have covered it, sounding rather gleeful at the prospect of the UK's human-rights watchdog [being] at risk of UN downgrade.

As for the UN, the Special Rapporteur on VAWG, Reem Alsalem knows what women & girls are & that it’s sex not gender that matters. She of course had to defend herself from ludicrous allegations after she pointed out massive obvious issues with ScotGov’s plans to force through self-ID come hell, high water, or a functioning ferry service. Generally though? UNWomen is an unfortunate Twitter/X handle; but it’s pretty accurate.

I’m struggling to continue paying the BBC and I appreciate a fair bit of radio, but the anti women stance is too much

I said a while back the biggest issue we face is due to the markers and graders

Ie the international organisations that put us in a table or by grade. It’s not for women atm it’s for men.

They may need to be recreated

BettyFilous · 28/11/2023 19:37

After hearing the Stonewall statement on Woman’s Hour I think the TRAs might be approaching the ‘burn it all down’ stage. They’d rather trash the UK’s whole human rights infrastructure than cede any ground and recognise that other people matter too. Reckless in the extreme.

PatatiPatatras · 28/11/2023 20:40
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