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Parents of transgender teenager lose bid to stop mastectomy

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IwantToRetire · 27/11/2023 18:02

The parents of a non-binary 17-year-old have failed in their bid to prevent the teenager from having breast removal surgery after they were accused of believing that LGBTQ+ people were “evil and satanic”.

The parents had asked the High Court in London for an injunction banning their child from having a mastectomy.

They also sought to have the teenager made subject of a psychiatric report, claiming their child’s sexual preferences were symptoms of a mental illness.

But a High Court judge has refused to grant the injunction saying that while their child was only 17, they would turn 18 within days of the hearing and would therefore be able to give consent to gender-affirming treatment as an adult.

The Hon Mr Justice Macdonald ruled it would be wholly disproportionate to permit an expert to examine the teenager.

Part of a longer article originally in the Telegraph but reprinted by Yahoo (sports?) https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/parents-transgender-teenager-lose-bid-164349686.html

I wonder if the parents hadn't been so blatantly anti L&G if the Judge would have made a different decision. Or that that they nearly being 18 was the crucial point.

Parents of transgender teenager lose bid to stop mastectomy

The parents of a non-binary 17-year-old have failed in their bid to prevent the teenager from having breast removal surgery after they were accused of believing that LGBTQ+ people were “evil and satanic”.

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/parents-transgender-teenager-lose-bid-164349686.html

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StockpotSoup · 27/11/2023 22:06

The first gender reassignment surgery took place in 1931. It’s hardly a new phenomenon.

Libertyy · 27/11/2023 22:08

StockpotSoup · 27/11/2023 22:06

The first gender reassignment surgery took place in 1931. It’s hardly a new phenomenon.

Back in the days dick-less men were called eunuchs, not women

ArthurbellaScott · 27/11/2023 22:12

StockpotSoup · 27/11/2023 22:06

The first gender reassignment surgery took place in 1931. It’s hardly a new phenomenon.

And did the person enjoy a long and happy and healthy life afterwards?

WhereIsBebèsChambre · 27/11/2023 22:14

This is a thread I remember from last year re someone post surgery then changing her mind and wanting to sue those involved in her operation. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4673382-us-woman-sues-after-gender-affirming-double-mastectomy?page=2&reply=121422965

I used to be very sympathetic but this thread started to change my mind. It sounds so demanding, "do what I say now or I'll ruin your career, you should be struck off for not doing this surgery' then a few years later 'I can't believe you did that to me, you've ruined my life you should be struck off!!'
Self centred, self important, attention seekers.

Page 5 | US woman sues after 'gender affirming' double mastectomy | Mumsnet

'The defendants 'transgressed the bounds of socially tolerable conduct by abusing their positions of trust and authority' by recommending 'unnecessary...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4673382-us-woman-sues-after-gender-affirming-double-mastectomy?page=2&reply=121422965

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 27/11/2023 22:24

WhereIsBebèsChambre · 27/11/2023 22:14

This is a thread I remember from last year re someone post surgery then changing her mind and wanting to sue those involved in her operation. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4673382-us-woman-sues-after-gender-affirming-double-mastectomy?page=2&reply=121422965

I used to be very sympathetic but this thread started to change my mind. It sounds so demanding, "do what I say now or I'll ruin your career, you should be struck off for not doing this surgery' then a few years later 'I can't believe you did that to me, you've ruined my life you should be struck off!!'
Self centred, self important, attention seekers.

But (speaking as a doctor myself), doctors have been hugely complicit in all this. It's not just the surgeons who perform the actual surgery, it's every HCP who has been part of indoctrinating teens into believing that they need the surgery. This belief didn't arise out of the blue: it was created and doctors were at the forefront of that creation.

So, when a teen demands a mastectomy, she is demanding it because doctors have taught her that that is the cure for her dysmorphia. Personally I hope to see every doctor who has actively promoted transition sued into penury.

rogdmum · 27/11/2023 22:28

For anyone able to do any gardening and who would like to push back on the current medical pathway for older adolescents, Anna Castle & Mrs C’s judicial review is in great need of support. A quick google should land you in the right garden.

lifeturnsonadime · 27/11/2023 22:29

WhereIsBebèsChambre · 27/11/2023 22:14

This is a thread I remember from last year re someone post surgery then changing her mind and wanting to sue those involved in her operation. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4673382-us-woman-sues-after-gender-affirming-double-mastectomy?page=2&reply=121422965

I used to be very sympathetic but this thread started to change my mind. It sounds so demanding, "do what I say now or I'll ruin your career, you should be struck off for not doing this surgery' then a few years later 'I can't believe you did that to me, you've ruined my life you should be struck off!!'
Self centred, self important, attention seekers.

I was sympathetic until my autistic daughter who was wearing boys clothes because they (the clothes) were comfortable was asked by CAMHS if she thought she was a boy.

Girls like my daughter, who happily informed CAMHS that she was indeed a girl are the ones at risk from this harmful ideology that results in young women harming their bodies.

Despite the fact that my autistic daughter knows that there is no wrong way to be a girl because I've shielded her from trans ideology she is STILL at risk of it because she loves sport and the same ideologists that would tell her because she doesn't present as a girl (because stereotypes) she might be a boy would have boys trample over her rights in sport. Her sport has a transwoman who won the county player of the year.

This whole thing harms women and girls.

Sorry for my rant, I know you agree. It just angers me that we are all supposed to have said, oh but the law agrees and ignore.

No fucking way!

lifeturnsonadime · 27/11/2023 22:31

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 27/11/2023 22:24

But (speaking as a doctor myself), doctors have been hugely complicit in all this. It's not just the surgeons who perform the actual surgery, it's every HCP who has been part of indoctrinating teens into believing that they need the surgery. This belief didn't arise out of the blue: it was created and doctors were at the forefront of that creation.

So, when a teen demands a mastectomy, she is demanding it because doctors have taught her that that is the cure for her dysmorphia. Personally I hope to see every doctor who has actively promoted transition sued into penury.

I agree with the complicity of doctors in this. I've seen it with my own eyes.

Horrific.

Scarletttulips · 27/11/2023 22:52

It is horrific

If this is so common why is it always teen girls making the news? Where are the swaths if mid life crisis woman not running into their local GP’s - assuming you can get an appointment?

It’s a cult. It will always be a cult.

It’s a shame doctors aren’t assessing these girls properly.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 27/11/2023 23:01

rogdmum · 27/11/2023 22:28

For anyone able to do any gardening and who would like to push back on the current medical pathway for older adolescents, Anna Castle & Mrs C’s judicial review is in great need of support. A quick google should land you in the right garden.

I am not familiar with the Anna Castle and Mrs C action. Have just looked at their crowd justice. Is there a thread with more info?

SaffronSpice · 27/11/2023 23:32

Flickersy · 27/11/2023 21:58

Yes I have read the judgement.

I was not the poster who started the conversation about double mastectomies. I am just responding to those who did.

Talking about the legality or not of a mastectomy is a red herring in this case. But it is not one as clear cut as you present. There must still be consent and it would be legitimate to ask whether someone has consented if they think it would solve their psychiatric issues or ‘make them more of a man’ when it can do neither of these things. Or if they are mentally unwell, eg suicidal, and therefore unable to consent. That is why there are several young women in the United States suing doctors who removed their breasts. And why one particularly active Irish doctor in Florida has taken steps so as to prevent people suing her (by not having indemnity insurances and putting her assets beyond the reach of the court so if you sued you and won you wouldn’t even get enough to pay a lawyer).

ArthurbellaScott · 28/11/2023 07:39

'by not having indemnity insurances and putting her assets beyond the reach of the court so if you sued you and won you wouldn’t even get enough to pay a lawyer'

Unbelievable. How is it not clear to everyone it's a grift?

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