Gender Identity is a metaphysical belief and should not be taught in schools as fact

[theilltemperedclavecinist]

I found this useful guidance:

www.natre.org.uk/about-re/legal-requirements/

Including this quote:

Schools with a religious designation may prioritise one religion in their RE curriculum, but all schools must recognise diverse religions and systems of belief in the UK both locally and nationally.

Yet here we find a school teaching gender identity as fact, without any balancing teaching that many (most!) people don't believe in gender identity and that's okay too:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12752995/video-exposes-trans-indoctrination-primary-school-teacher-inclusion-lessons.html

So, should parents start challenging these breaches of secularity, or should they be insisting that gender identity teaching be confined to RE lessons (which children can be withdrawn from)?

Agree. I'm all for religious tolerance AND for teaching 'some people believe'. Teaching one faith as fact and that heresy/hate crime punishment/going to hell is the rightful fate of unbelievers is something that should have been left in the dustbin of the mid 20th century.

Ugh No Outsiders again. Dodgy bloke writes stuff to indoctrinate children

The govt requires us to teach gender identity in PSHE and the document detailing this assumes that children have a gender identity to discover.

You'd be better off challenging the government and asking them to hurry up issuing the long-awaited trans guidance to schools.

I've just posted a No Outsiders article I found in the DM, I missed this thread earlier but I'll put it here too

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12752995/video-exposes-trans-indoctrination-primary-school-teacher-inclusion-lessons.html

Andrew Moffat sounds like a religious zealot.

It's starting to look like they've decided to or been encouraged to let all that go until post election.

They may or may not use it as a carrot in their manifesto I suppose, but they're clear they don't have the stomach for it.

This is the latest piece by transgender trend on Moffat.

It illustrates how he's getting worse and how far his reach is, especially within an academy chain.

It demonstrates that he's assisted schools with social transition.

www.transgendertrend.com/no-outsiders-scheme-teaching-children-trans/

This is the video mentioned in the Daily Mail article.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CIH7I_SEU0E&t=6s

Tallisker · Yesterday 15:56

Ugh No Outsiders again. Dodgy bloke writes stuff to indoctrinate children

I found out that my daughter had rubbish from them back in Year 3. (Year 6 now). I'd wondered where she'd been getting some strange opinions and she said she'd been told at school that "sex" is a swear word and to use gender etc, that TWAW.

I'd been under the impression that their dross had been banned.

Wikipedia says it was temporarily suspended because of protests from religious parents in 2019.

It does defy belief that Moffat & his mates are still in business selling their "born in the wrong body" nonsense to primary schools. So little critical thinking happening.

theilltemperedclavecinist · Today 11:30

Wikipedia says it was temporarily suspended because of protests from religious parents in 2019.

Thank you for the information. It's disturbing that this barmy rubbish is being presented to young children, as though it were undisputed fact.

It's disturbing that this barmy rubbish is being presented to young children, as though it were undisputed fact.

Have you watched the video? A teacher says that it's better that they teach this stuff to children, because otherwise they'll get their information from the internet and other children, and might just hear "misconceived opinions".

Earlier in the video the same teacher is shown asking a class of children what they think being transgender means, and if it's more than just not following stereotypes. A child says that it's about how someone feels on the inside, with no further explanation. "Brilliant", says the teacher.

I think it would be better if the children did get their information from the internet and other children, and the teachers and parents could explain that it's utter nonsense, rather than the teachers teaching the utter nonsense themselves and presenting it as fact.

No Outsoders still frequently recommended in Primary PSHE teacher groups on Facebook. I'm generally the lone voice of criticism.

That rings a bell. I'm sure some of the early Stonewall et al literature (or another arm of the lobby group) talked about the need to get to children fast and early before they had time to hear wrongthink from others. Particularly to ensure that they knew that their parents were stupid, ill informed, behind the times and not to be trusted, and that children should believe the lobby trainers instead.

That is after all what they mean by 'misconception'. It means in fact 'other opinions' and 'sunlight' and 'an open minded perspective' such as 'some people believe'. The question then is whether this teacher is an innocent puppet of this without realising, or is intentionally committed to abusing her position of trust to politically indoctrinate children, which is a harsh word, but that is what you do when you teach one view as fact and the only right/good and everything else as unacceptable. That she is probably a nice, well intentioned person doesn't make it any better.

I'm not in England so may have missed the relevant guidance. Where does UK Government 'require' gender identity to be taught? I know it's still mentioned in the Planning Your Curriculum guidance, but I wasn't aware that there was a legal requirement to teach 'gender identity' or that there was an assumption in current documents, other than resources produced by third parties, that everybody has one.

Shamefully Ofsted guidance used to demand that primary schools taught gender identity (they were captured Stonewall champions). They hastily dumped them when the Telegraph outed Stonewall complaining that Inspectors didn't talk enough to primary children about trans issues. Ofsted have done massive damage with their failure to prioritise safeguarding by enabling the "born in the wrong body" lot to get access to children and schools.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10931423/Ofsted-cites-lack-gender-identity-teaching-primaries-factor-inspection-reports.html

Statutory RSE guidance 2020. As well as the requirement to teach the facts and the law, it says

"It must be recognised that young people may be discovering or understanding their sexual orientation or gender identity"

Rather assumes that gender identity is a thing.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1090195/Relationships_Education_RSE_and_Health_Education.pdf

My 12 Yr old is being picked on by a teacher who she expressed her gc views to. I'm fuming that we have to tell them to be quiet.
He even sent her to her head of house as he couldn't get her to agree with his views.

We need to keep writing to local MPs about concerns.

The more they hear from constituents about these issues and concerns, the more the profile is raised of the issue in government. And then when there are debates or discussions or votes or meetings, it seems less like hype and more like the actual out of control issue it is.

I do know of one primary school that was criticised in Ofsted feedback specifically on the point that children didn't know what the EA characteristic of trans was. It's glossed over as general EA characteristics in the official report.