KPSS - How Police Forces In the UK Record Suspects' Sex in Crime & Incident Reporting: 2023 Update

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I found this info on Twitter and thought I’d post it here on FWR - the report is available from the KPSS website:

https://kpssinfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Police_-FOIAS_Report_2023_Update.pdf

A follow up tweet regarding the above report was posted as follows:

'We are concerned at the data collection recommendations that have been made by some Gender Critical Groups, including the Census 2021 arguments made by FPFW. We are producing an Operational Recording Data Standard for policing & expect to release by the end of this year.'
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Forgot to mention that KPSS have included Police Scotland and Police Service NI in this report.

I look forward to finding out how woke PSNI are…or do I ?🤔🫣

Why does it not surprise me that there is outrage in Certain Circles at the idea of accurate data collection? 🙄

TW who commit crime are of course not assumed to be representative of the entire trans population - but the demand that it be possible to collect accurate data on their patterns of criminality & that ALL crime data be skewed to accommodate a need for validation is far beyond ridiculous. How is it TRAs don’t realise the harm they do for the population they claim to advocate for with the refusal to recognise - other than when it suits them, of course - that transpeople are a distinct & discrete population group?! Skewing stats; preventing research; ensuring there won’t be adequate funding for services… it’s not the “TERFs” & “GCs” they need to worry about, they visit untold harms upon “the most vulnerable in society” with all their “advocating” & “campaigning” (& of course the infamous Denton’s playbook).

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Apparently PSNI aren’t qualified to tell if the man standing before them saying he’s a woman is right about that or not. In fairness, given their approach to data-handling, that seems likely to be an accurate description of their abilities 🤦‍♀️🤨
PSNI can advise anyone brought into police custody will be recorded as they seek to represent themselves, either Male, Female, Transgendered, or Unknown. If Transgender, an additional pop-up box will appear to record the details of the person's previous name and gender and their current name and gender. Police have no power to request medical records or birth certificates. Police record what the detainee wishes (subject to some basic challenges if the subject is trying to frustrate the process). Police will respect how any detainee declares their identity.
If the gender of the offender is relevant to the case, expert testimony may be sought. Police are not qualified to challenge assumed gender identity.
This is the same process for anyone charged with rape or sexual assault.

Oh, yes, that seems like an excellent idea. Known for their honesty, criminals. And it’s not as if it’s been repeatedly identified as a risk, people just vanishing off into their new “trans” identities. Absolutely baffles me that PSNI have grabbed onto this of all things. Presumably some kind of bid to show they’re not raging homophobes - all for naught of course after this year they reversed the 2017 decision to let officers attend Pride in uniform.

@NitroNine I know! My mind boggled when I read that guff from PSNI - whoever came up with that policy is away with the fairies 😵‍💫 It’s written in such bloody-minded, jobsworth prose as well. It’s very much written to shut down all modes of appeal to rational behaviour - this is what we’re doing, so lump it and it’s not our fault if it goes wrong cos it’s not our job to know the difference between men and women. Reading that has my head turned. It’s almost enough to make me miss the old RUC 🤯 I can’t imagine sex criminals lying to police, can you? I mean they're generally unimpeachably moral. Have PSNI come up with this policy off their own bat or have the buck eejits in the civil service taken this decision on their own? Or even worse, have the clowns in Stormont come up with this?

I suppose this is where #nodebate ends up. With society unable to identify rapists, paedophiles, abusers etc in order to protect certain people and ideas from exposure.

All enabled by captured state institutions in the grip of this madness.

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I assume PSNI are trying to keep up with the lads on the mainland 🤦‍♀️ Could they not just settle for “we all get to carry guns so we do” instead of this nonsense?! It’s a real contrast with lots of what’s coming out of the Executive Office that eg uses “women & girls” very clearly. Could Stormont have done it? The green algae’s been a lot more active than that mob… (do you watch “The Blame Game” btw?)

@NitroNine Yeah, why don’t our Plods feel they’re the big boys cos they have guns unlike Gardaí or GB Police 😂 They have water cannons too, which I don’t think GB Peelers have, and I’m not sure if riot gear, tear gas, plastic bullets and rubber bullets get much use in GB; having said that they haven’t been used here as much these days given that annual flashpoints like Drumcree/Garvaghy Rd etc have been quieter lately.

I’m not really sure this new touchy-feely PSNI is up to the unique job of policing Norn Iron. Paramilitaries aren’t awfully big on analysing oppression via the lens of queer theory, d’ye know?

Honestly, I blame the Civil Service for the queerspeak increasingly used in public sector policies. Also, Alliance, SDLP, Greens, Shinners are all pushing it and using it too. Mostly DUP (with occasional UUP intervention) are objecting to the changing terminology and managing to halt egregious policy change. But seeing as Stormont is stalled, the Civil Service and Public Sector orgs are working away without oversight (as is the algae 🤦‍♀️) so…🤷‍♀️

I gave up on Blame Game for a while - found Jake a bit preachy á la Billy Bragg, but I’ll give it another wee go so I will 😊

I’m in more of a Paddy Raff Show mood lately.

https://www.facebook.com/PaddyRaffComedy/videos/this-is-why-election-vote-counting-takes-so-long-/316732747205156/

@UtopiaPlanitia I’m fairly sure they’ve not got them in Scotland, but water cannons are actually banned in England & Wales - it was one of Johnson’s many farces as Mayor of London, buying a load without checking he could use them; & eventually they’d to be sold for scrap 🤦‍♀️ They’ve never used baton rounds on the mainland but are allowed to - & there was, rightly, quite a fuss (actually, not enough of one) when it came out this summer that the only events the Met had sought permission to use them at (since 2017) were black-led ones. Mmm. Nice even-handed approach that. Riot gear is fairly standard for anything that might get “lively” & CS gas is used more than it used to be - but they’ve to justify its use as if they’d used a firearm; & it’s only meant to be used on crowds to force dispersal. They’ve only the wee sprays not big canisters to lob too, AFAIK.

Paramilitaries x Queer Theory sounds like something from a sketch show/stand up routine. Potentially as a result of getting high on their own supply. Can you imagine the murals? And the flags?!

It’s so frustrating isn’t it? We should not be looking to people who refuse to believe in dinosaurs to insist on keeping it real (as it were). (I know that’s not all of them, but still…) It drives me mad they’ll not just go back to work so they can turn things around. Can they really not see it would bring them closer to the mainland having an Irish language act (consider the Welsh); & they should be focused on things like protecting the Lough & stopping the HSE imploding (& rolling back the GenderWoo, obviously)?! 🤦‍♀️

First two episodes of this series Jake seems to have mostly been limited to asking the questions 😁 I wonder if it was suggested people get their quota of homilies/sermons on Sundays, no need for him to be adding any more 🤔

I like KPSS. But I wish they'd stop this kind of thing:

We are concerned at the data collection recommendations that have been made by some Gender Critical Groups, including the Census 2021 arguments made by FPFW.

What recommendations, what's wrong with them and why? How do KPSS's differ and why should I be persuaded there's an important nuance I've overlooked? How do they think they should engage across other groups to persuade them, to make the argument stronger?

They're pretty quick to tell others to get the tanks off their lawn when anyone not KPSS dares venture an opinion on prisons/prisoners and this topic. But do they now have a monopoly on police data as well?

That being said, I do find their reports interesting and useful. It's the petty sniping I really dislike.