Emma Bateman of the Green Party reinstated

[ArthurbellaScott]

https://twitter.com/EmmaBatemanGPW/status/1725681873613902244

'TheGreenParty have begrudgingly accepted that it would be prudent to un-expel me. I was expelled in January 2023 but following 2 disciplinary hearings, 2 appeals, further appeal reviews and specific legal advice, that decision has been reversed.'

'I am still barred from standing from office for 18 months, mostly because@TheGreenParty
insists that the sacred sex status of a male who claims to be female must be revered. According to the Appeals Committee, to question that is “reprehensible.”'

'I think it is safe to say officials were loathe to let me back in. My membership is a game of hokey cokey so I may not last long, because it seems in@TheGreenParty
everything everywhere all at once is queerphobic and complaints are spun from nothing.'

'@TheGreenParty
just shut down the women's space and shut up@GreenPartyWomen
because the party is yet to grasp that the women problem it thinks it has (that it cant get rid of the pesky TERF's) is not its real women problem.'

'TheGreenParty's real woman problem is that the grinding away of our rights by forceful gender fanatics is being seen, questioned, and will be challenged in court by women who will not give up and give over our party.'

Just over a week to garden for Emma at crowdjustice.

Oh that's great news!

I'm glad for her - although can't help but think she'd be far better out of such a spiteful, toxic environment.

She's brilliant, amazing that they had to back down on her expulsion. The times they are a changing.

At what point is a political party so broken that it's no longer worth salvaging? Asking for a Democrat friend in the US.

(It's me I'm the Democrat friend help how do we fix this)

The GPEW seems like it might be salvable, or it might be a self-solving problem when the legal costs accrued by their MRA members come due, and the party is rendered financially impotent.

It is such a pity that good people like Emma and Shahrir have been forced to use their talents and energy fighting their party rather than campaigning to effective measures to combat climate change.

@Needmoresleep true facts ^

But the special feelz of a tiny number of men are clearly way more important than the existential threat of climate change 🤷‍♀️

I was going to agree, and then I saw this tweet.

I'm sorry, but they actually need to be prosecuted for this. Reckless, abhorrent stirring of hatred. I am appalled.

The TRA Green faction is in panic mode. They trying to wreck everything as they go down.

Green Party Women have got hold of the email list and are organising again in last few weeks. Looks like the TRA bully tactics collapsed. See this thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4997204-green-party-women-have-regrown

The TRas have bet the entire future of the Greens on the idea that saying biology is real should be banned. It was a massive gamble which is not going to pay out. The party is running out of money in an election year:
https://bylinetimes.com/2023/08/29/green-party-at-risk-of-going-bust-amid-trans-rights-row-legal-challenge-from-former-deputy-leader/

Even if Shahrar loses, very unlikely considering the evidence, the cases from Emma and Dawn Furness are even stronger.

This is the biggest gender crit controversy right now. Huge implications!

Prosecuted for what? Calling for a ceasefire? Only warmongers allowed inside the law?

Unfortunately, Emma has been expelled again. 3rd time now.

But if the Green Party loses all the legal cases, the Green Party is still stuffed with (and funded?) by TRA’s. It will be great for cementing case law, but will it actually make much difference to the political position the Green Party takes?

<hopes someone with more knowledge than me can explain>

Is it that TRAs are over represented in the greens relative to other parties?

Or is it that the greens was the easiest semi-mainstream party to capture?

It just has nothing to do with central purpose of the party, it's damaging divisive and a huge distraction from what you would think the party would be seeking to achieve.

Have people cynically weighed up the parties and decided "let's take over the greens"?

I think it's been easy to take over because it's the smallest of the main parties.

Yes, and some of the structures seem to make it easy to 'game'. It's tiny tiny numbers voting on motions and taking part in debates and conference etc.

There's also a huge disconnect between local parties and the central party.

Some local parties (eg Brighton and Bristol) are dominated by TRAs and push their agenda but in many parts of the country, members get on with campaigning on local environmental issues or working hard on their local councils.
They don't know what's happening centrally and put their fingers in their ears when anybody tries to raise awareness.

Absolutely.
The awful TWAW policy is a case in point. A dreadful policy pushed through by a handful of extremists.

We don't know what exactly will happen, but the gender wars in the party are very deep and in open debate the gender critical side might win over time.

A quarter or more of the party has voted for Shahrar Ali as leader. Most women members consistently elect gender crits into office in the Green Party Women group.

Much of the party care more about Green issues than gender. They tend not to get involved or try to stay on the sidelines in the gender wars. So far the TRA faction have used cunning and a core of fanatical supporters to gain power by stopping debate/expelling members. Yes there are a lot of TRAs in the party, but those who are willing to destroy the party over this issue actually actually may be about 10-25% of the party.

If there is open debate we can hope the TRAs will LOSE over time. Remember the TRA tactic is to expel and sideline gender crit leading members, because they are NOT capable of out arguing them. Because their positions are daft, and their deep hatred of those who stand against them is unappealing to moderates. Gender crits tend to be are older members who do a lot of the work in local parties as others have said. Also it is worth noting that TRAs also hate women and men with differing opinions on sex/gender so much it is likely they will leave the party over this if they have to talk to them.

Look at the Scottish Greens disaffiliating from the Green Party England / Wales.

Verdicts in these court cases will shed light on the TRA bullying tactics. The thing about the Greens is a lot of members take pride in "niceness". That is a key to the TRA success they claim to be nice, deeper examination shows they obviously are not and this can be shown.

The verdicts will force those who have refused to take sides to decide what to do and who to believe. Green party members will get to decide between backing biology or supporting those who believe in new corporate/academic ideas about gender/ support carrying out experiments on kids and want to bully everyone who disagrees into line.

Really this will be a bell weather for the debate in a wider society as we are talking about issues which are key to the Green movement, biology, nature, corporate power, democracy etc. They have a clear choice. Choose women and nature or follow the Scottish Greens who failed to get the SNP to do a bunch of environmental stuff but did get them to waste time on a bunch of unpopular gender things.

Excellent summary of the situation @fromorbit 👏

Yep. That 'niceness' is interesting, too.

Among environmentalists I know there is a tendency to project one's own good faith and good intent onto others. We want to believe other people are basically well meaning. It leads to a certain naivety, I think, to believe certain words/statements on face value. And the actions of the person are not always reflective of their intent but it's unpleasant to confront that.

I guess it challenges a certain worldview, in fact, that is based on the premise that 'there are no baddies'. Which may be true on a philosophical level and on a deeper longterm level, but in the day to day world there are for sure people who want power and are willing to use nefarious means and lie to get it.

Bluntly, the Green Party don't seem to want confrontation with bad actors. It's left them very vulnerable to this kind of takeover, where people who are not in good faith are using the party for their own ends, and are taking advantage of the good natures of others.

It could well destroy the party altogether.

I'm a GP member and joined in response to Emma Bateman, I think it was, asking women to join to help the fight.

Early on, I attended one spring conference online and there was a motion about increasing the number of people on the suspension committe because they had so many cases to deal with.

Having just joined, I had no idea how indicative that was of what's going on. I can see it now though, plain as day.

The TRas have bet the entire future of the Greens on the idea that saying biology is real should be banned.

It's a bit mad isn't it for a party supposedly campaigning on environmental issues i.e. biological reality?

If men can become women on their say so, it seems that logically if we all say climate change is fixed and just believe really really hard and silence any dissent, it WILL BE FIXED!

Anthropogenic climate change has a hell of a less compelling evidence base than binary sex in all mammals, after all.

Either biological reality matters or it doesn't.

There you go, magical thinking, I've now just solved Climate change / the climate crisis in 10 seconds on Mumsnet and if you don't agree you're all a bunch of nasty bigots!

😂

I'm starting to think this thread needs to be retitled "Emma Bateman's Green Party Membership HokeyCokey". Oh well, more evidence for her case I suppose.