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The worst cervical cancer campaign ever...

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PizzazzRoxyStorma · 18/11/2023 15:13

...well isn't this one special? Hmm

https://x.com/northwestcancer/status/1724378139059503400?s=46&t=FvzNePXGikWIJeOA86F8cg

The worst cervical cancer campaign ever...
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NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 19/11/2023 19:23

We will also be accused of twisting her words.

If anyone's words have been twisted today, it's NIMumconfused's post. Fancy turning that carefully considered post into "women working in this area that have said that some would find this empowering". Shock

Chersfrozenface · 19/11/2023 19:27

Helleofabore · 19/11/2023 18:46

No it is not ‘small’, but it is ‘smaller’ when compared to national organisations and they budget they have. it is doubtful they would have the spend to have put this campaign to robust qualitative research focus groups covering the major groups that needed to reach.

They have limited budget but have chosen this. I don’t believe this is effective use of its budget at all.

Influential offer *Customer & Prospect Research" and say:
"Without research it is impossible to innovate and without innovation we lose our power to influence the thoughts and actions of others.

Our insight programmes use a combination of focus groups, online qualitative and quantitative surveys, and one-to-one in-depth interviews, to help you make the right decisions for your business, customers and employees."

https://www.influentialmarketing.co.uk/services

I don't know whether NWCR paid Influential to undertake such research before the campaign was created and launched, of course.

If NWCR didn't, perhaps they should have

If they did, they should get their money back.

MrsTerryPratchett · 19/11/2023 19:28

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 19/11/2023 19:01

Somanyquestionstoaskaboutthis

Flowers for you. The ad is just sexual harassment from a charity, and we're supposed to appreciate it. It's revolting.

I'm also sorry that happened @Somanyquestionstoaskaboutthis

If they could just guarantee a kind female HCP who could do them, it would be different for so many of us.

Somanyquestionstoaskaboutthis · 19/11/2023 19:31

Thank you for all the flowers. I know many have been through far far worse, and it’s not something I think about but that advert really has upset me.

JenniferBooth · 19/11/2023 19:32

@Somanyquestionstoaskaboutthis Good God thats appalling Flowers

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 19/11/2023 19:33

If they could just guarantee a kind female HCP who could do them, it would be different for so many of us.

This. I do not to be called a diva, and nor I do not want to be told I shouldn't struggle with the procedure because the HCP does loads of them every week. How on earth would that be relevant? She hasn't been practising with me, has she! It's still a distressing novel experience for me!

Helleofabore · 19/11/2023 19:37

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 19/11/2023 18:58

I've just been through this thread all over again, looking for an example of comments from women working in this area that have said that some would find this empowering and would help to break down the stigma surrounding smear tests - you do not get to say that these women are wrong.

Could you have meant this post from NImumconfused? I reproduce her post below so we can remind ourselves of what she actually said.

You also said if you think you have a better campaign idea, then please go ahead and contact them and let them know and I would fully support it.

Readers, please note that NImumconfused's post did contain suggestions of better campaign ideas, which seem to have been ignored.

NImumconfused

I do some work in the area of screening, including cervical. You could possibly argue that there are some women who will be influenced by campaigns aimed at reducing stigma/embarrassment, perhaps those in the age group where you're going for your first one? So for example our social media stuff which tends to be aimed at younger women will be about not being embarrassed, that the sample takers do this every day, nothing to worry about etc.

Beyond that, non-engagement is much more likely to be related to trauma/pain or cultural issues, and jokey campaigns will get you nowhere. For trauma or pain you need specialist clinics with well trained staff who can take time to talk to individual women and work out how to make them more comfortable - sadly these are few and far between.

Cultural barriers - we work with community groups to run small peer led events, where women can get information and ask questions in a comfortable environment for them.

Both of these approaches work, but they're not quick or cheap. This campaign is the exact opposite of what works with those demographics.

Plus mashing in gender identity issues in the middle of it all just confuses everyone whose literacy or English isn't perfect. Again, we target that group by working with their support organisations to create resources just for them, rather than making our general resources into word salad

I'm not in England but it surprises me how pushy it all sounds there - we've been told to avoid any sense of "should" or "must" because screening has risks as well as benefits.

Yes. I expect that a poster grasped the sentence about a few women would be encouraged by this and dismissed the entire rest of that post. I noted this before but also noted that it is completely reflective of the grasping of the very low bar of success to be celebrated by this campaign. Ie. If you are going to celebrate that a few women are saved by a huge investment of a completely inappropriate sign and press release instead of acknowledging that this campaign needs a much higher level of planning and engagement for the investment it has had, you are very likely to take the post saying just a few will be influenced as reflecting your own low bar of achievement for this communications campaign.

And miss that by failing in this way, this charity has done a massive disservice to the women that they are there to serve! That women should be celebrating crumbs instead of cake, if you see my meaning. It is bizarre to see it. Women absolutely should be fucking expecting better and absolutely this charity needs to read the criticism from women.

And yes, women are absolutely right to criticise this charity for failing them in this way.

Helleofabore · 19/11/2023 19:38

Somanyquestionstoaskaboutthis · 19/11/2023 19:31

Thank you for all the flowers. I know many have been through far far worse, and it’s not something I think about but that advert really has upset me.

more flowers 💐. It is always a shock and please don’t dismiss your experience.

UnremarkableBeasts · 19/11/2023 19:44

It’s not even as positive as women should be celebrating crumbs rather than cake. It’s that a chunk of the women are deathly allergic to the bloody crumbs and we’re supposed to pretend that doesn’t matter.

The thing about this kind of campaign is that it isn’t just ineffective for many women, but it is actively discouraging. In a context where the NHS is pretty aggressive in nagging women about smear tests, the overall effect may be to discourage women from engaging with the health service if they can avoid it.

Helleofabore · 19/11/2023 19:44

Chersfrozenface · 19/11/2023 19:27

Influential offer *Customer & Prospect Research" and say:
"Without research it is impossible to innovate and without innovation we lose our power to influence the thoughts and actions of others.

Our insight programmes use a combination of focus groups, online qualitative and quantitative surveys, and one-to-one in-depth interviews, to help you make the right decisions for your business, customers and employees."

https://www.influentialmarketing.co.uk/services

I don't know whether NWCR paid Influential to undertake such research before the campaign was created and launched, of course.

If NWCR didn't, perhaps they should have

If they did, they should get their money back.

Yep, agencies offer services like that. It is not uncommon.

Look they may have done something. But that type of research is expensive and for this to have been effective would have to be done across carefully recruited groups. Not just a broad and general focus group. Perhaps they did it across a broad and general focus group for cost limitations which would absolutely make the focus group meaningless.

And maybe Influential gave them a very generous discount to be used as a showcase. And so the amount spent may not be as much as what it should have cost.

UnremarkableBeasts · 19/11/2023 19:49

There is a lot of really poor quality research done out there. Really a lot.

Helleofabore · 19/11/2023 19:49

UnremarkableBeasts · 19/11/2023 19:44

It’s not even as positive as women should be celebrating crumbs rather than cake. It’s that a chunk of the women are deathly allergic to the bloody crumbs and we’re supposed to pretend that doesn’t matter.

The thing about this kind of campaign is that it isn’t just ineffective for many women, but it is actively discouraging. In a context where the NHS is pretty aggressive in nagging women about smear tests, the overall effect may be to discourage women from engaging with the health service if they can avoid it.

I agree. But I am merely pointing out what this poster seems to be doing.

Having had one nurse to hold me down for my last test while another tried to reach my cervix, I am also very much someone who is reluctant to attend any in the future. The pain took days to subside and I felt hugely sorry for the nurses who were desperately trying their best not to hurt me.

JenniferBooth · 19/11/2023 19:50

Why is it always womens procedures that are painful

Helleofabore · 19/11/2023 19:51

UnremarkableBeasts · 19/11/2023 19:49

There is a lot of really poor quality research done out there. Really a lot.

Yep! There really is. I have read a great deal of it with my professional experience behind me and it is fucking appalling.

Clabony · 19/11/2023 19:56

I would be one of the people this advert is aimed at. What it has achieved is cementing the fact I will never ever go for another smear.
Same for me. For a charity to think that's ok, well, it doesn't fill me with any hope that the procedure will be any different from the awful experiences I've had before. I'll take my chance and avoid the triggering trauma.

Helleofabore · 19/11/2023 19:59

But hey, people are talking about it … woohoo!! Just like that endometriosis charity appointing a misogynistic trans activist as a CEO celebrating being ‘talked about’.

I have noticed over the last few years people mindlessly believing the falsehood of ‘no such thing as bad publicity’. It really is a falsehood and people should stop fucking repeating it.

DysonSphere · 19/11/2023 20:04

Whatthechicken · 19/11/2023 10:41

It reminded me of this ‘campaign’…

A large pair of legs have appeared on the gates of a Glasgow park where a serious sexual assault took place in a bid to draw attention to women's safety.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/spread-legs-artwork-glasgow-park-24768696?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

What the actual..😮😡😡

Flowers4me · 19/11/2023 20:43

I'm so sorry to read about peoples bad experiences and totally understand how that can cause someone to avoid these things. I missed my appointments for years. I couldn't face them; after two traumatic births and a bad experience as a 20 year old I couldn't face any more. Then out of the blue, I got an aggressive letter from my GP (male) which said because I'd missed appointments I would be thrown off a list. I didn't even know he had a bloody list; I couldn't believe it but I was too exhausted as a carer to complain. I just never went back. This is the sort of shit NHS needs to get on top of; there are too many barriers for some of us women and it affects us accessing healthcare.

LoobiJee · 19/11/2023 21:00

Chersfrozenface · 19/11/2023 18:00

I followed the link to the marketing agency’s webpage advertising that campaign and their webpage uses woman / women throughout the page about it. Not people.

JenniferBooth · 19/11/2023 21:03

@Flowers4me i got a similar letter a while back saying as i didnt use the GP surgery services they were taking me off the list

a. i e mailed them back in May Im still waiting for a reply
b when i ring them im always at least 14th in the queue (im on pay as you go)

c. i tweeted them and got the same result ...........nothing.

Fucking gaslighting shit

Flowers4me · 19/11/2023 21:13

I'm sorry you're going through this too @JenniferBooth - it is coercive and plain wrong. No thought to what might be going on for us that might be making these appointments difficult.

JenniferBooth · 19/11/2023 21:20

@Flowers4me Flowers

Chersfrozenface · 19/11/2023 21:31

LoobiJee · 19/11/2023 21:00

I followed the link to the marketing agency’s webpage advertising that campaign and their webpage uses woman / women throughout the page about it. Not people.

Indeed it does use "women" (with one example of "women and people with cervixes").

So was that in their original copy - and if so, who changed it?

There is some reasoning given for the design:
"We wanted a campaign that was playful and a bit cheeky in order to grab our audience’s attention so the strapline, Don’t Keep ‘Em Crossed, was perfect. Cervical cancer screening is often a cause for worry, with lots of women putting it off, but we’re hopeful that our campaign has helped change this.”

Oh dear, no.

Also:
"Influential implemented an out-of-home strategy whereby campaign posters were displayed at targeted venues, such as hairdressing and beauty salons, gyms, bars and coffee shops in an effort to reach its audience."

So its target audience is who, exactly?

UnremarkableBeasts · 19/11/2023 21:52

Flowers4me · 19/11/2023 21:13

I'm sorry you're going through this too @JenniferBooth - it is coercive and plain wrong. No thought to what might be going on for us that might be making these appointments difficult.

Surely your GP can’t just do what bloody dentists do and drop you if you don’t use appointments regularly enough.

This stuff is horrendous.

Meanwhile, I tried to get a GP appointment for my son to be told that the practice can only offer an emergency service at the moment and if I wanted his (routine and chronic) issue to have medical attention I’d need to go to A&E.

Because now we are in the bizzaro-world where GPs send you to A&E for routine stuff because they’re busy operating an emergency service.

But somehow they still manage to nag me about smear tests.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 19/11/2023 22:07

Chersfrozenface · 19/11/2023 21:31

Indeed it does use "women" (with one example of "women and people with cervixes").

So was that in their original copy - and if so, who changed it?

There is some reasoning given for the design:
"We wanted a campaign that was playful and a bit cheeky in order to grab our audience’s attention so the strapline, Don’t Keep ‘Em Crossed, was perfect. Cervical cancer screening is often a cause for worry, with lots of women putting it off, but we’re hopeful that our campaign has helped change this.”

Oh dear, no.

Also:
"Influential implemented an out-of-home strategy whereby campaign posters were displayed at targeted venues, such as hairdressing and beauty salons, gyms, bars and coffee shops in an effort to reach its audience."

So its target audience is who, exactly?

Edited

I breathlessly await the follow-up campaign which will presumably be a "cheeky" spin on the US phrase put-out.

Don't complain about the pain, shut up and put out maybe?

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