We don't hate men, science sez

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It's official

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/man-hating-feminists-are-a-myth-say-scientists-72sk5xlg5

It's on the archive site, but if anyone has a share token....? If someone with a subscription could give a flavour of the comments, I am genuinely gagging to know how this is going down. I often see a pile on of 'well, feminists hate men' type stuff, be interesting to see what they've got now. I suspect they're suddenly busy doing something else.

Also, if those scientists could do a study on whether or not gc people hate transpeople...and vice versa!? Or perhaps the vice versa should be tras not trans. I suspect in the first scenarios it would be 'no'. The 2nd though?

Or even whether or not 'transphobia' is even a thing (it's not) or whether women are simply trying to prevent their own hard fought rights from being trampled on by men.

It's just easy to say 'feminists hate men' as they then don't have to engage in anything dangerous like rational arguments.

To gauge attitudes towards males, they were asked to say how much they agreed with the idea that men could be trusted and how “warm” they felt towards them, as well as whether they agreed with statements such as “men act like babies when they are sick”.

That first one though! Anyone agreeing with the blanket statement “men can be trusted” is some kind of idiot. I wonder how many men would agree with that and whether they’d be pathologised as man-haters if they didn’t?

Study finds attitudes towards the opposite sex are largely positive and similar across cultures

I can't read this, because it's paylocked, but really? Towards the opposite sex? So men's attitudes towards women across cultures are similar and that similarity is that they're largely positive, is it? The men who deny us access to education and the workplace in Afghanistan and who approved of no voting rights for women in Saudi Arabia and who rape and abuse women across the globe have a 'largely positive' attitude towards women, aye?

whether they agreed with statements such as “men act like babies when they are sick”. Is this really at the crux of women's main issues with men? The idea that men are overdramatic about their own minor misfortunes and inconveniences? Not the rape and abuse and exploitation and having men you don't know treat you like a sexual object and assault or 'try to get it on' with you?

Sharetoken:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e4ea31dc-8520-11ee-ab78-b8f8e234f1ae?shareToken=c73253527b00a0375e2257ee8ce9ed2a

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/03616843231202708

@Precipice

So men's attitudes towards women across cultures are similar and that similarity is that they're largely positive, is it?

I don't think it looks at attitudes towards women in general.

But that's an interesting question.

In polling results, how much do men like women?

I suppose it will be quicker to respond to the drive-by MRAs citing "misandry" by quoting this research at them.

''Feminists who were involved in activism were more likely to be angry about women’s mistreatment by men. But this wasn’t associated with overall negative evaluations of them. “They dislike the inequality that women have experienced, but that doesn’t spill over into an overall hatred towards men as a group,” Hopkins-Doyle said.
She and her colleagues believe that history backs up their findings. Feminists have driven forward significant changes in men’s favour, they write. That has included campaigning against laws that defined rape in terms that excluded assaults on men.''

Archived; archive.fo/ 4cEB1

My post contained the archived link.

'“The headline findings are that feminists, on average, have largely positive attitudes towards men,” she said.

Feminist attitudes towards men were largely similar to those of non-feminists. In fact, feminists were about as positive about men as men were. “If you’re going to attach the misandrist label to feminists, then it equally applies to men,” she added.'

No shit, Sherlock.

No! So feminists have fathers, brothers, uncles and male friends who they respect whilst making sure women are not raped, beaten and under paid?

Women have enough space in their brains for 2 things?

And we can only believe it now that the science has spoken? Color me shocked. No one believes women without scientific proof, ever. Not even other women.

What feminists actually dislike, Hopkins-Doyle said, is the patriarchy, the network of institutions that serve to oppress women.

Quite so. And of course we won't tend to be fond of the specific men who are pro oppressing women. But then again, neither are decent men.