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Gay Detransitioner Sues American Hospital For Anti-gay Discrimination

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UtopiaPlanitia · 10/11/2023 17:16

The gay detransitioner Shapeshifter is suing the hospital that gave him hormones and set him on the path to castration and other surgery. It’s a heartbreaking story of a life badly ruined by doctors following ideology rather than medical evidence.

https://www.city-journal.org/article/medicine-with-a-transgender-bias

Medicine with a “Transgender Bias”

A new lawsuit raises the question of whether “gender-affirming care” constitutes gay conversion therapy and violated the civil rights of a gay man.

https://www.city-journal.org/article/medicine-with-a-transgender-bias

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Froodwithatowel · 10/11/2023 17:31

Wow. 😖 A lot of good points but the last paragraphs especially.

The information keeps rolling in doesn't it? It's taking a long, long time and leaving human wreckage behind it all the way, but it's all going in the same direction.

IcakethereforeIam · 10/11/2023 17:33

I wish him luck, health and happiness, win or lose. I hope he wins.

UtopiaPlanitia · 10/11/2023 20:19

Froodwithatowel · 10/11/2023 17:31

Wow. 😖 A lot of good points but the last paragraphs especially.

The information keeps rolling in doesn't it? It's taking a long, long time and leaving human wreckage behind it all the way, but it's all going in the same direction.

It seems that the US is going to be like the UK in that attempts to point out the homophobia and the dangers of this ideology in medicine will have to be fought in the courts because politicians are too brainwashed or spineless to protect people.

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NugatoryMatters · 11/11/2023 14:19

It is genuinely shocking how the nonsense idea of ‘gatekeeping’ (as used in online popular culture) has been used to present differential diagnosis and medical diligence as some kind of nasty bigotry.

or that they call the consumerist ‘give the customer what they ask form’ model an
‘informed consent process’ and claim it is “a safe and effective replacement for assessment, diagnosis, and treatment provided by an appropriately trained and licensed healthcare professional.”

Replacement for. Thats a medical clinic saying their ‘sell people what they say they want’ practice replaces ‘assessment and diagnosis’.

This is properly dystopian stuff.

NugatoryMatters · 11/11/2023 14:29

UtopiaPlanitia · 10/11/2023 20:19

It seems that the US is going to be like the UK in that attempts to point out the homophobia and the dangers of this ideology in medicine will have to be fought in the courts because politicians are too brainwashed or spineless to protect people.

Let’s hope he wins. Because it’s would be clear evidence that even in the medically consumerist USA, people can recognise that gender affirmative care can and does function as gay conversion therapy.

The stuff about surgically altering bodies to configure ‘works of art’ is also terrifying. Not just in the transgender health care area, but also in relation to the ridiculous attitudes to cosmetic surgery being promoted across social media. I saw tik tok yesterday claiming that, of course, people in their early twenties should be getting loads of ‘tweakments’ because her plastic surgeon boyfriend does them
for her and says it’s important to start young. 🤦🏻‍♀️

There’s a broader pattern of rampant consumerism with clear intention to create lifelong dependencies on surgical and medical interventions in people whose brains are not yet fully developed. I don’t think it’s coincidental. And the influence of heavily marketing-imbued SM in all of this makes it very hard to take any claims that it’s fine because people are giving ‘informed consent’ seriously.

nocoolnamesleft · 11/11/2023 14:55

That poor man. They really tried to trans away the gay with him. To think by now he could have been living as an intact happy gay man. I hope he wins.

UtopiaPlanitia · 11/11/2023 22:49

NugatoryMatters · 11/11/2023 14:29

Let’s hope he wins. Because it’s would be clear evidence that even in the medically consumerist USA, people can recognise that gender affirmative care can and does function as gay conversion therapy.

The stuff about surgically altering bodies to configure ‘works of art’ is also terrifying. Not just in the transgender health care area, but also in relation to the ridiculous attitudes to cosmetic surgery being promoted across social media. I saw tik tok yesterday claiming that, of course, people in their early twenties should be getting loads of ‘tweakments’ because her plastic surgeon boyfriend does them
for her and says it’s important to start young. 🤦🏻‍♀️

There’s a broader pattern of rampant consumerism with clear intention to create lifelong dependencies on surgical and medical interventions in people whose brains are not yet fully developed. I don’t think it’s coincidental. And the influence of heavily marketing-imbued SM in all of this makes it very hard to take any claims that it’s fine because people are giving ‘informed consent’ seriously.

There do seem to be doctors and therapists advocating more of a transhumanist approach to this area of medicine and justifying slicing up human bodies with these wacky…well…wackier ideas (born in the wrong body being extremely wacky as a basic starting point).

I think doctors trying to make a name for themselves are seeing this area of surgery as a way of achieving that. I’ve read articles (years ago) stating that in order to be a surgeon and to be able to operate on other human beings, without feeling guilt or fear, it is helpful to be lower in empathy or higher in sociopathic traits. I’m beginning to wonder if this lack of empathy in surgeons, combined with corporate medicine in some countries, is a driving force for this area of medicine growing so quickly. These doctors seem to have no qualms about hurting gay or autistic or troubled children in the name of gender affirmation. They leave young gay people like Shape Shifter and Brianna Ivy with mangled bodies and lives, and they just keep on operating on new patients.

The Shocking Truth About Trans Surgery: Briana Ivy’s Story

Candace sits down with Briana Ivy who shares what it was like growing up as a trans child, the truth about trans surgeries, and important warnings for parent...

https://youtu.be/Qhc4hIbLXlM?si=RbAjg1OHpNAzRchf

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MoltenLasagne · 12/11/2023 07:18

Shape developed highly unrealistic expectations about what hormones and surgeries could do for him. An example noted in his legal filing: he stopped using condoms because he wanted to get pregnant.

How can a man suffering such clear delusions, be considered capable of informed consent? Even if the model worked in other cases (it doesn't) surely this makes a mockery of the thing.

BigBadaBoom · 12/11/2023 08:17

There's a long history of irreversible surgical interventions being made by the medical profession to "fix" difficult mental health problems and personality disorders. Lobotomies and hysterectomies are well known to have been significantly over-used.

It may be that a lot of these procedures were carried out because the patients were in a desperate state, but the underlying dangers are the same now as they were back then - we don't know how and why the transgender mental health problems arise and we don't understand the long-term impact of the highly invasive medical interventions.

As for the hormone therapy, we have also seen this pattern with the opiod crisis in the US. With opiates, a knowingly risky treatment was marketed as "safe" under false pretences (defective studies) and allowed to continue because of the amount of money involved.

Drugs like Oxycontin were sold as silver bullets to solve the genuinely under-valued and life-altering problem of chronic pain, and will have helped some of the patients prescribed them get their lives back. But in the end they were missold and misprescribed and their downsides minimised. They have done much more harm than good. A big part of that damage sits at the feet of those who turned a blind eye in the medical community and in the US government.

Datun · 12/11/2023 08:51

It drew inspiration from another community health clinic, the Mazzoni Center in Philadelphia, which was smaller than Fenway but served four times as many patients. “One key to [the Mazzoni Center’s] success,” the Fenway document explains, “was the elimination of any requirement for counseling before hormones were provided

'Success'.

Froodwithatowel · 12/11/2023 08:57

There's a long history of irreversible surgical interventions being made by the medical profession to "fix" difficult mental health problems and personality disorders. Lobotomies and hysterectomies are well known to have been significantly over-used. It may be that a lot of these procedures were carried out because the patients were in a desperate state

And those invested were highly enthusiastic in emphasising said desperate state, no other answers, look how much happier and better afterwards some of them are if you don't look too closely this is the answer! Do more of it faster!

This is why you need older people in society. With memories, life experience, a grip on history and what's happened before, to balance out all the bright ideas and to be bloody cynical about how people work and systems work after several decades of observation. And to be able to understand that when one of said people says 'hang on a minute' they might have a point instead of requiring you to throw yourself on the floor, drum your heels and wail like Verruca Salt that they're getting in the way of your best life when you want what you want right nowwwww.

Generic 'you' obvs.

UtopiaPlanitia · 12/11/2023 15:27

I came across this information today - a new law firm in Texas has been set up to take on US detransitioners’ legal cases. I’m very glad that someone wants to help detransitioners fight for compensation and, thereby help to change/improve medical standards, but I also can’t help feeling sorry that no matter what they do, detransitioners end up as an income stream for someone, be it doctors, pharmaceutical companies, therapists or lawyers.

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2023/11/11/first-detrans-law-firm-opens-in-dallas/

https://archive.ph/F8gSb

A new law firm focused solely on representing gender detransitioners has opened in Dallas. It's likely the first of its kind in the nation. And it's busy.

Law firm for detransitioners opens in Dallas

The nation’s first law firm dedicated solely to representing detransitioners is in Dallas, and it’s busy. The firm has filed 4 suits already and has talked...

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2023/11/11/first-detrans-law-firm-opens-in-dallas/

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