TW: GOP mayor dies by suicide after cross-dressing revealed by rightwing site

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Given how the GOP hasn't even started erasing women from the US, this seems of interest

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/mayor-bubba-copeland-alabama-suicide-b2441961.html

Why would you draw the conclusion that he should be charged from my post? No, I pointed out that while you compare him to other authors, you also have absolutely no evidence that this was not his own personal fantasies he is writing about. Rather than simply an author writing a ‘tale’.

Sure, because he never acted on it , it remains ‘fiction’. How ever I would say there is a difference between a person writing a completely fictional piece of writing, and a person writing about something they fantasise about and use as an erotic driver in their own personal life. As I said, there is significant cross over between his actions in fact and what he is reported to be writing by way of posts and advice etc to not think that an unpublished / self-published author isn’t merely writing his own fantasies down on paper as wank fodder for others.

I don’t believe a comparison between him and a published author is convincing so I am merely disagreeing with you. Yes. He ‘authored’ work, yes he didn’t actually do that fantasy so it is strictly fiction still. But it is a very long bow to compare this man with a published and professional fiction writer.

Of course people are entitled to a private life without scrutiny and fear !

Not in the world the GOP are creating for you. Remember how they want to force their way into period tracking apps to ensure women can't sneak out of state for abortions. People also need to remember why Little Tommy Tuberville wants to destroy the US military (and is doing a pretty good job by all accounts).

The GOP are an American party.

Which is why I addressed what they are doing in America.

And as I said it's more nuanced than the absolute tragedy portrayed in the Independent or the absolute monstrosity portrayed in Reduxx.

I'm happy to wait and see if there is more sinister stuff to come out, I'm keeping an open mind, not jumping to conclusions.

What I find more dubious is how he was using his wife's clothing and seemed to be dressing up as her, and whilst the fetish story was originally on a niche platform if that shop owner has now been identified how on earth does she feel?

'the world the GOP are creating for you.' - what does a cross dressing US mayor and US politics have to do with UK feminists? I mean, fine, discuss it, but the GOP are not creating any kind of a world for me.

A very mentally ill man killed himself after people found out about his MH issues, it's sad but it happens 🤷‍♀️

I'm guessing his personal feelings of embarrassment, for whatever reason, was greater than his desire to not leave a wife and the kids to deal with the fall out.

No no @ArthurbellaScott remember, we are to blame for everything, especially JKR, she's the worst of baddieness,.doing big bad things to people.

Depends. American Healthcare providers are already here. Once they've taken over, they're then in a position to dictate even more than they are already what care is provided to women in Britain. And healthcare providers can be not just governed by people with more Republican/Religiously polarised leanings over there, they are also rather keen on keeping their major market - the US - with all of its antiwoman agendas happy.

Then there are the pharmaceutical companies - you know, the ones that made literal killings on inflating the price of Insulin and could quite feasibly restrict what medications are available to women.

US influence is very strong almost everywhere. It doesn't have to be sending troops in to take control of far more than a couple of acres in South London and a handful of bases. It's economic, it's data driven, it's data itself.

A random male who fantasises about what he was going to do to an actual neighbour in great detail in himself is of little concern. Once you look beyond the individual to the mass then having influence upon huge structures and organisations, never mind government, then the spectre of the US political giants turning their attention to a piddly little country that's already fucked off 90% of its allies in the last five years, whether for just profit or whether it's also because God has told them it's their job to change it (or their voters have told them that God says it's their job to change it) and phenomenal profit is merely God's earthly rewards and a taste of the true bounty to come - well, it's not exactly something to look forward to.

It's the first Rule of Misogyny, innit?

1. Women are responsible for what men do.

Which means that when a man kills himself rather than face the people who have newly seen what he is, the batshit and warped crap he has written, the truth of his fetishes writ large, then it is the women to blame. Especially the right wing women, which they all are, obvs. Bad, bad women.

At least he didn't take his family out with him like many of these suicidal men do.

@PaperWalkAndTalk
Pornography is an issue for many atheists and non-religious people, let alone a Baptist pastor, that is, a leader of the church.

Secondly, I’m not sure you’re aware that for Christians thoughts are very important, not just deeds. Matthew 5:28 says that when a man looks at a woman lustfully that is tantamount to committing adultery with her in his heart.
It is troubling to me that people think you can go as far as you like in fantasies, as long as those fantasies don’t become actions. I don’t think that’s conducive to a healthy mind. However, it is clear that for Christians that sort of approach is unacceptable. So that’s another issue that would be problematic for his church community.

I’m not happy he killed himself. Who does that benefit? But his method of stress-relief (which frankly I can’t see him giving up entirely) is at odds with his public persona as a Baptist pastor, and that’s before we get to the advice about how to chemically transition.

A random male who fantasises about what he was going to do to an actual neighbour in great detail in himself is of little concern. Once you look beyond the individual to the mass then having influence upon huge structures and organisations, never mind government, then the spectre of the US political giants turning their attention to a piddly little country that's already fucked off 90% of its allies in the last five years, whether for just profit or whether it's also because God has told them it's their job to change it (or their voters have told them that God says it's their job to change it) and phenomenal profit is merely God's earthly rewards and a taste of the true bounty to come - well, it's not exactly something to look forward to.

This paragraph escalated quickly.

How is this cross dressing man connected to 'the mass'? What mass? And then we're onto apparently religious fundamentalists?

Op I’m left leaning but I know that a large proportion of the Americans who vote republican are non white, non religious, pro choice, anti war, LGBT, university educated, donate to charities etc. You seem to be painting 74 million people who voted republican in the last election with a very broad smeary gammon brush and it just comes off as very naive.

This case is very sad and I hope his family are able to grieve the person that they knew.

But I am reminded of Lang Clegs safeguarding advice that there are no sacred groups in safeguarding- police, priests, teachers etc cannot be above safeguarding scrutiny.

How do they even have time?? A woman with three young kids doesn't have time for a fantasy life.

Exactly. He wrote detailed fantasies about killing a real local woman (using her real name) and stealing her identity. Plus numerous other fantasies including sissy-porn about children being transitioned.

This is not harmless.

This is sad but I don't think can really be blamed on it being exposed in that way. The reality is this kind of thing will often get out one way or another, that's the risk.

That being said, I do think sites like that, and even newspapers, are more interested in being shocking than they really are in exposing problematic public figures, and they will do it in the worst way possible to have more of an impact.

I feel for his children.

This.

What a shame.