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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Response to request to state pronouns

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Zita60 · 03/11/2023 08:11

There have been a number of threads about how to respond if you're asked or required to state your pronouns. One of them mentioned an interesting concept whose name I've forgotten. I haven't been able to find the thread and wondered if anyone can tell me what this concept is called.

It was called "stereotype <something>". It means that people can tend to live up to stereotypes about their sex, race etc - for example, that women aren't good at maths. In the case of pronouns, it means if you're female and have to give pronouns that make that clear, it reinforces your femaleness and you might then live up to the stereotype that you're not good at maths.

What was this concept called? I thought it would be a good thing to mention if anyone tries to force me to state my pronouns.

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ahagwearsapointybonnet · 03/11/2023 08:15

Stereotype threat I think?

Sparklfairy · 03/11/2023 08:18

Yes stereotype threat

Response to request to state pronouns
Zita60 · 03/11/2023 08:26

Stereotype threat - that's it. Thank you!

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Coffeelovr · 03/11/2023 09:41

If you follow that train of thought, doesn't it take you down the non-binary rabbit hole?

Zita60 · 03/11/2023 10:09

Coffeelovr · 03/11/2023 09:41

If you follow that train of thought, doesn't it take you down the non-binary rabbit hole?

I don't think so. Non-binary seems to mean denying that you're female. The concept of stereotype threat would be knowing that you're female but not drawing attention to it, for example, in the workplace.

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Coffeelovr · 03/11/2023 10:24

@Zita60 I think NB means what the person wants it to mean! There doesn't seem to be a clear definition. And I know from personal experience there are NBs who accept they are female but use NB to avoid drawing attention to it and to try to avoid stereotyping

Zita60 · 03/11/2023 10:46

Coffeelovr · 03/11/2023 10:24

@Zita60 I think NB means what the person wants it to mean! There doesn't seem to be a clear definition. And I know from personal experience there are NBs who accept they are female but use NB to avoid drawing attention to it and to try to avoid stereotyping

I think you might be right about there not being a clear definition of NB.

To me though, declaring you're NB seems to draw attention to yourself - everyone can see you're female and not everyone will be sympathetic to it. And it probably wouldn't affect stereotyping if you're obviously female.

My instinctive reaction when I saw an email signature at work that said "they/them" for a person who was clearly female was to roll my eyes and resolve to try and avoid her if possible. My reaction might or might not be typical.

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MavisMcMinty · 03/11/2023 11:20

Thankfully I retired before all the pronoun nonsense, but would be very tempted to reply “I/me/my” if ever asked for mine.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 03/11/2023 17:22

Coffeelovr · 03/11/2023 10:24

@Zita60 I think NB means what the person wants it to mean! There doesn't seem to be a clear definition. And I know from personal experience there are NBs who accept they are female but use NB to avoid drawing attention to it and to try to avoid stereotyping

Stereotype threat is not about other people stereotyping you - that's basic discrimination, which is indeed increased by other people's attention being drawn to your sex. It's about your own performance being impaired because of a reminder of your sex and the stereotypes associated with it (and only the first part needs to be explicit for it to occur, your brain fills in the syereotypes itself).

Waitwhat23 · 03/11/2023 17:37

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 03/11/2023 17:22

Stereotype threat is not about other people stereotyping you - that's basic discrimination, which is indeed increased by other people's attention being drawn to your sex. It's about your own performance being impaired because of a reminder of your sex and the stereotypes associated with it (and only the first part needs to be explicit for it to occur, your brain fills in the syereotypes itself).

Iirc, there was an experiment where women about to take an exam (maths I think) were told that women are stereotypically considered to be poor at maths and they did worse in the exam than those who were not told this.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 03/11/2023 17:39

You do indeed recall correctly.

FelineGood76 · 03/11/2023 17:58

"I don't play the pronoun game thanks"

That's all.

TWETMIRF · 04/11/2023 13:54

MavisMcMinty · 03/11/2023 11:20

Thankfully I retired before all the pronoun nonsense, but would be very tempted to reply “I/me/my” if ever asked for mine.

I now have I Me Mine in my head. Great song so a nice earworm to have 😀

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