'Why they hate the LGB Alliance. It is about politics, not about people.' - Article in The Critic

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I always learn something new from a Malcolm Clarke article, Twitter thread, or podcast appearance. I knew nothing about Herbert Marcuse and his ideas sound terrifying. This piece makes for interesting reading so I thought I’d share it.

Malcolm has a dry wit which also gives him a great turn of phrase e.g.

"The problem was, 40 years later after the accommodationists had helped gay people gain all the rights they could possibly need, they switched off the lights and headed for their Tuscan second homes or finally got to enjoy their Opera Season Tickets."

https://thecritic.co.uk/why-they-hate-the-lgb-alliance/

How very interesting!

And agree, completely.

Another agree! He's witty and to the point.

The first five sentences had me hooked:
"Remember the bad old days when homosexuals had to meet in secret in case they were outed and lost their jobs? If you’re too young to remember those days for yourself, don’t worry. Up and down the country those scenarios from the past are being re-enacted, as gay events are picketed by thugs who hound attendees and try to identify them online in order to get them fired.
It’s not wild-eyed Calvinists doing the bullying now, though. It’s trans activists and their “allies”, usually angry straight men who identify as queer, whatever that means."

Interesting opinion piece, but I'm not convinced that our TRAs ambushing LGBA meetings have ever read anything by H Marcuse. They wouldn't know what a "proletariat" is.

TRAs are Twitter fuelled misogynistic bullies who believe all the mantras, slogans and myths of gender ideology because they can't think for longer than one paragraph, and love any opportunity to intimidate women who say reasonable things.

Ask any blue-haired, masked TRA what they think of the economic internal contradictions within today's hyper capitalist society. You'll draw a blank.

Paedophiles have indeed jumped onto any gay civil rights movement going, and they certainly haven't held back in piggy backing the current ".....TQ" movement, but as ever was thus really

I'm also not sure that it's a matter of having these people move in. But that may have been a bit of literary flourish.

I do think that the "normal" people largely got out of the gay rights movement. They weren't people who built their lives around some kind of sexual persona, or identity, they had work and friends and such and didn't need to socialize only with certain people based on their sexuality.

What this has meant is that to a large extent the people who get so involved in these kinds of organizations are people who see sexual identity as key to who they are, or want it recognized, want some kind of separate gay culture.

If I'm honest, 90% of the people I meet who are heavily involved in these kinds of organizations, many of whom I deal with at work, groups presenting themselves as representing the whole "community," seem to have other kids of issues. Autism, anxiety, whatever, they are the people that are looking to label themselves with every trendy diagnosis.

The gay and lesbian people I know who are "normal" (loaded word I know) and down to earth - and these are a lot of people from many walks of life - aren't interested in these groups and don't see themselves as having anything in common with the people in them. This isn't a new thing, they've been like this for 20 years or more. They aren't into flags, or Pride, and their politics are all over the place.

What this all means though is the groups are being shaped by a group of people who are in no way typical, and often seem to have issues.

Malcolm has often written before about different ideological groups making use, or trying to make use, of the LGB rights movement as a wedge to open the political/legislative door for their own cause. And a lot of these radical groups are vehemently opposed to society as it currently is and have no remorse at how their actions serve to make things worse for gay citizens in public opinion.

Lol. It's pretty obvious why. As lgb alliance is just mostly straight people it would seem.from.their own stats, focused on trans people. I think they tried to Dona film.once to up their lgb credentials in doing anything else bit any trans rhetoric which seems their focus.

They are boring and banned in NZ as a hate group I am told.

But apparently their Saturday night disco at the conference is a highlight of the social.calendar.

They do amuse. I think they need to try harder. Perhaps do some lgb outreach stuff and ignore the transes....then people.may take them serious.

Here you are again mishy peddling your lies

Don’t you get bored of having the same thing explained to you a zillion times?

Its a standard thing.

Throw random shit to disguise the harms and damage to others. Make stuff up. Hope most people are too busy and gullible to realise, and let you crack on with the harming.

Only works for so long, and stopped working around 2019.

I don't think Mishy bothers to read replies.

As lgb alliance is just mostly straight people...

I mean, I just find it morbidly fascinating that someone could type this out, given that every founder, CEO and Trustee of LGBA is openly homosexual.
Compared to say, Mermaids which is founded and run by actual heterosexual parents.

To be fair, Mishy literally doesn't know what the words gay or straight mean, so best to ignore when they get trotted out. I assume Mishy uses them to mean "nice" and "friendly" respectively. Makes just as much sense to their posts.

The homophobia of the TWAW proclaimers is clear to me, but I'd be interested to know what proportion of people genuinely are homophobic, how many are just bog-standard sexist, and how many are just too smooth-brained to realise that the implications of redefining what a man or woman is extend far beyond the "tiny number " of people who are trans. It affects everyone, and minorities more specifically.

Oh it's been debunked and debunked and evidenced many, many times. But evidence and reality has little impact, it's all about 'image' and selling the idea.

Lol, indeed. The homophobia is strong with that one. Pretty disgusting.

To be fair, Mishy literally doesn't know what the words gay or straight mean

I suspect that those are two of a very long list of words that Mishy doesn't know the meaning of.

Ann Sinnott one of the four original founders is heterosexual.

I'd be very interested to know how many supporters of Stonewall are same-sex attracted, i.e. LGB. Does anyone even know? Not that it matters. The LGB Alliance exists to put the point of view of the LGB community now that Stonewall can't be relied on to do that. I care what happens to LGB people and I'm not same-sex attracted.

The article seems a little far fetched, I don't think it's that deep. As a person around in the seventies, some people have always been a 'little loonie left' - it's just the subject matter that changes, they'll soon move on to something else.

For the record I'm gay and homophobia absolutely still exists and I'm not talking about gender ideology either, just straight up ignorance from straight people pardon the pun. I'm sure a lot of LGB people on this thread have experienced it so I'd rather an LGB charity focused on that

She wasn't a founder and she no longer works for them.......

Oh ok before the pedants jump on me, maybe she was a one of the "founders" originally, but she doesn't work there anymore anyway.

She was definitely a founder, she's listed on the certificate of incorporation.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/12338881/filing-history/MzI1MDYwMjMxOWFkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0

Yeah, whoo whoo. So one straight person supported gay and lesbian rights before leaving the organisation comprised of mainly homosexual people.

Is LGBA "all straight people" now....?

Is LGBA "all straight people" now....?

Where did I say that?

One thing that really irritates / confuses / annoys me (depending on my mood at the time), is that TRA argue that being trans isn’t about who you sleep with / find sexually attractive, but they want to tag onto the LGB which is all about who you are attracted to / want sexual relationships with. Which is it ffs?! 🤔

@MishyJDI "They are boring"
Then why are you so obsessed with them? Haven't you got any friends to play with?