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Equalities minister says Government is now challenging ‘activist groups’ like Stonewall after it got on the ‘wrong track on gender ideology’

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IwantToRetire · 02/11/2023 00:57

Ministers were wrong to allow “activist groups” like Stonewall <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/bLpjR/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/18/stonewall-removes-government-departments-top-100-employers/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">to set the rules on gender for so long, Ms Badenoch has admitted.

The equalities minister said the Tories got on the “<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/bLpjR/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/14/we-can-only-win-from-a-showdown-with-stonewall/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wrong track on gender ideology” over the past decade by outsourcing policy-making to the charity.

She said the tide was now turning because the Government was doing much more to “<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/bLpjR/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/24/conversion-therapy-transgender-children-stonewall/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">challenge activist groups that take over institutions”.

On gender ideology, she said: “I think we should take a step back and look at how we got here and this is where I think the Government does need to do a little bit more.
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“And it’s about challenging activist groups that take over institutions… We started going on the wrong track on gender ideology because we allowed other people to start telling us what to do.

“Ideas came from the leftist part of academia, feeding into particular charities - Stonewall is the best example of this but they’re not the only one - where they started advising government, saying this is what you need to do in order to serve a particular community.

“And then it over-reached and started giving people legal advice, or advice that was certainly different from what the Equality Act said.”

She added: “Government needs to be more confident in itself rather than asking other people to mark our homework and wanting to be on Stonewall’s top employers list, that’s when things start to go wrong.

“I think we were able to turn the tide once we stopped being influenced by people who had an agenda, pretending to be neutral, pretending to be charities rather than activists.”

This is quite a long article including comments about conversion therapy https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/11/01/silly-pronoun-rows-distracting-bigger-issues-kemi-badenoch/

Behind paywall but can be read by going to https://archive.ph - just paste the telegraph link into the box.

‘Silly’ pronoun rows distracting us from bigger issues, Kemi Badenoch warns

Equalities minister says Government is now challenging ‘activist groups’ like Stonewall after it got on the ‘wrong track on gender ideology’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/11/01/silly-pronoun-rows-distracting-bigger-issues-kemi-badenoch

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RayonSunrise · 07/11/2023 11:12

Hansella567 · 07/11/2023 09:16

Tories are liberal shitlibs in my opinion. Because they bow to the vile morality of the left. The still work inside the same basic moral framework of labour. I think we need a right wing party that rejects the lefts moral compass in its entirety.

This is an example of precisely the sort of burn-it-all-down attitude that is intensely anti-conservative. Justice for ordinary people never comes from tearing down everything - all we get is the chaos while the fire starters set themselves up as the new elite.

EasternStandard · 07/11/2023 11:18

RayonSunrise · 07/11/2023 04:57

The Tories are "American right-wing" at the moment. They threw out all the old style Tories during Brexit (the ones who valued tradition and institutions), and I completely agree with the people who have been pointing out that Kemi is only emboldened to say they've got the gender/sex/self-ID stuff wrong after over a decade in charge because she can see they really have nothing left to lose now, so she might as well.

If Labour wins, we will be right where we are right now, having to lobby and work and chip away at digging out gender ideology from our institutions in the name of TRUE civil liberties and balanced rights for society. If the Tories win, same thing. Belt up people, we're. It out of the woods and hoping for Kemi or anyone else to ride to our rescue is naive.

There’ll be nothing between Labour and the institutions in terms of pro gender ideology

Good luck to those who want it. They’ll make it harder.

Hansella567 · 07/11/2023 14:32

RayonSunrise · 07/11/2023 11:12

This is an example of precisely the sort of burn-it-all-down attitude that is intensely anti-conservative. Justice for ordinary people never comes from tearing down everything - all we get is the chaos while the fire starters set themselves up as the new elite.

Well I think that’s exactly what this country needs, a new elite. The only thing that can replace a ruling elite is a new elite. Change is always top down, even when it appears to come from a grass roots.

What exactly is there left to conservative anymore? There is plenty that needs restoring but conserving the status quo that now exists after 13 years of Tory rule? No thanks. Count me out, I’m lossy voting Labour just to see the conservatives get wreaked.

spookehtooth · 07/11/2023 15:04

Keir is not a change candidate, he's gone out of his way to push that message.

His promises largely consist of "We'll deliver the things the Tories are promising, but failing to deliver, with a few tweaks". Right now, my vote is for a candidate committed to delivering real change. It's tough, because I actually like our local Labour MP whose clearly not onboard with Kier's agenda. I can't see him being useful, practically, with a landslide majority

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