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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

British police testing women for abortion drugs

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Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 30/10/2023 17:23

I've never seen this site before and don't know if this is true but, if it is, WTAF?!

"British police are testing women for abortion drugs and requesting data from menstrual tracking apps after unexplained pregnancy losses"

https://www.tortoisemedia.com/2023/10/30/british-police-testing-women-for-abortion-drugs/

British police testing women for abortion drugs - Tortoise

Forensic reports seen by Tortoise show police requesting tests for mifepristone and misoprostol

https://www.tortoisemedia.com/2023/10/30/british-police-testing-women-for-abortion-drugs

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TentChristmas · 30/10/2023 17:24

Yeh, I don’t feel like clicking on that link.

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 30/10/2023 17:30

TentChristmas · 30/10/2023 17:24

Yeh, I don’t feel like clicking on that link.

Try using archive?

I came across it on X where it was posted by one of Sally Challen's sons.

https://twitter.com/David_Challen/status/1719019061542113634

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JustTalkToThem · 30/10/2023 17:31

Why wouldn’t you do due diligence and find corroborating reports. Just saying “I don’t know if it’s true” is lazy.

CormorantStrikesBack · 30/10/2023 17:32

Why on Earth don’t the police have better things to do rather than bully women?

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 30/10/2023 17:34

CormorantStrikesBack it's because they like bullying women.

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CormorantStrikesBack · 30/10/2023 17:36

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 30/10/2023 17:34

CormorantStrikesBack it's because they like bullying women.

Quite.

popebishop · 30/10/2023 17:39

The College of Policing says current guidance to police is not to routinely take samples when women are being investigated after the unexpected death of an infant immediately after birth, and that it is for lead investigating officers to decide which lines of enquiry to follow, including whether to seek biological samples.

It is unlawful for health professionals to take samples of bodily fluids without the informed consent of the patient, according to Dr Sally Sheldon, a law professor at Bristol University. “For that consent to be valid, patients need to understand the nature and purpose of the procedure to which they are consenting.”

In the investigation of women after an unexplained pregnancy loss, she said “the woman would need to understand that blood or urine or placenta samples are to be used not for diagnostic purposes but in pursuit of a criminal investigation”.

Even if this is explained to the woman and they agree to a forensic analysis of samples, “given the nature of these cases, there are grounds for concern regarding whether her consent was truly valid and informed,” Dr Sheldon said.

So they are doing it where they supposedly suspect illegal abortion (after 24 weeks). I'd be interested to know how many women they are talking about here: "Tortoise has seen forensic reports in which police have requested a mass spectrometry test, which can detect the presence of the abortion drugs mifepristone and misoprostol in the urine, blood and placenta of women under investigation. Other reports include requests for “data related to menstruation tracking applications” as part of the police’s investigations."

Grammarnut · 31/10/2023 13:07

Abortion unauthorised by doctors is illegal - and dangerous. We have already had two cases of abortion which were late term, at 32-38 weeks because of the lax attitude to providing abortion pills and also because of lack of support for teenage mothers. An abortion done in this way has to be investigated - but I have never heard of miscarriages being investigated (and I had two myself at just under 3 months so bloody and in the second requiring hospitalization and a blood transfusion) so that seems unnecessarily intrusive - most women who have a miscarriage are going to visit their GP at the very least, some will go to A and E or will call an ambulance (as my ex-DH did). What is there in that to investigate? I am confused - are we talking of criminal abortions, where the woman has gone outside the medical route for some reason? Or lied about gestation length?

ProfessorSlocombe · 31/10/2023 13:18

It is unlawful for health professionals to take samples of bodily fluids without the informed consent of the patient, according to Dr Sally Sheldon, a law professor at Bristol University. “For that consent to be valid, patients need to understand the nature and purpose of the procedure to which they are consenting.”

That's all very well. However UK courts have no problems admitting unlawfully or illegally obtained evidence.

plumtreebroke · 31/10/2023 13:29

I think it is women lying about gestation to induce a late abortion using the early abortion pills, you can get the pills without physically seeing anyone. The one I read about the baby would have been viable when the mother aborted it. Seemed to be a combination of desperation and stupidity, but she did effectively kill the baby.

CliantheLang · 31/10/2023 13:32

...but she did effectively kill the baby.

Utter bullshit. Calling a fetus a baby is like calling a man a woman.

ThreeLocusts · 31/10/2023 13:37

Since someone expressed doubts, I've come across Tortoise before and it was a careful, thorough account of an underreported story. I'd trust them.

As for this story, it's Orwellian.

110APiccadilly · 31/10/2023 13:47

CliantheLang · 31/10/2023 13:32

...but she did effectively kill the baby.

Utter bullshit. Calling a fetus a baby is like calling a man a woman.

Your contention being presumably that a man can become a woman by travelling down a birth canal? Not heard that before.

If you're going to make a semantic argument, it's like calling a girl a woman.

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