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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
SpicyMoth · 25/10/2023 23:04

I hate the concept of "minimum terms" for stuff like this. Vile.

duc748 · 25/10/2023 23:10

Just the ones they know about so far, obliviously.

PaterPower · 25/10/2023 23:10

At least he was sentenced appropriately, although I hope “13 life sentences” actually equates to a good long time in prison.

I’ve read that he’s due to serve a “minimum” of 12 years. I trust that actually means at least the 12 years inside a cell but, with overcrowding just getting worse and worse, it would unfortunately not surprise me if they tagged him for some of it.

He’ll only be 36 when he’s reached the end of that term. His 200+ victims face a lifetime of consequences.

DuesToTheDirt · 27/10/2023 14:45

No surprise really, yet another police officer (ok, let's say policeman) convicted of a sexual offence. I was surprised at the sentence though - life, for a crime which is short of murder. (Actually, 13 life sentences - I didn't even realise that was a thing in the UK).

What really does shock me, though, is the percentage of girls who were coerced into sending him pictures, rather than telling their parents or the police. Sure, they thought he was a teenage boy, but even so? From the BBC article:

The South Wales Police officer messaged 210 girls aged 10 to 16 from November 2020 until February 2023 and images of 207 of them were found on his devices.

So only 3 refused? Why the hell did 207 go along with this? What are we teaching (or not teaching) our girls?

RethinkingLife · 27/10/2023 15:02

Why the hell did 207 go along with this? What are we teaching (or not teaching) our girls?

They don't exist as the legal entity of a sex class.
They have no rights independent of the sole sex class.
They are walk-ons in the drama of the lives of men.
Society has normalised pornification.

Beowulfa · 27/10/2023 15:12

This is when I realise what a chasm there is between me in my mid 40s and teen girls of today. I physically cannot make my imagination compute me as a teenager removing my mum-bought underwear and sending pictures of my naked body to anyone, including my first boyfriend when I was 17. It is literally incomprehensible to me.

Please tell me people who do understand how it happens are trying to teach girls in schools that there's no benefit to sending naked pics of yourself to anyone, ever?

DuesToTheDirt · 27/10/2023 15:20

Beowulfa · 27/10/2023 15:12

This is when I realise what a chasm there is between me in my mid 40s and teen girls of today. I physically cannot make my imagination compute me as a teenager removing my mum-bought underwear and sending pictures of my naked body to anyone, including my first boyfriend when I was 17. It is literally incomprehensible to me.

Please tell me people who do understand how it happens are trying to teach girls in schools that there's no benefit to sending naked pics of yourself to anyone, ever?

As a young adult, a boyfriend took a photo of me in the bath, without my consent. This was so long ago that mobile phones, the internet, etc. didn't exist, but I was still furious that he had a naked photo of me.

Surely these girls, even the most naive ones, know what can happen now to photos and videos, that they can be put on fb, insta, tiktok, emails, messages, sent to all their classmates...

RethinkingLife · 27/10/2023 15:56

Disembodied Data and Corporeal Violation: Our Gendered Privacy Law Priorities and Preoccupations

*Whether one is more (or less) concerned with issues of image rights or the use of online tracking mechanisms by retailers, the role of CCTV in city streets, the ability to access a safe abortion, the media’s publication of salacious stories, the ability of government agencies to collect personal information, or the abuse and harassment of individuals in the home or online is likely to be influenced by social and historical experience. In this article I argue that such experience and consequent investments in ‘privacy’ are also gendered and should be recognised as such by legal scholars of privacy, legislators and courts. Privacy law relates inextricably to the self and calls into question how we (as individuals and groups) envision, articulate and perform our sense of self. It marks out boundaries between persons and perceived sources of power and oppression. This article examines three periods of heated privacy law debate (mid 19thcentury, turn of 20thcentury and 1960s/70s) and demonstrates that whereas men’s privacy priorities primarily focused on controlling and concealing information about themselves; women’s privacy issues mostly centred on protecting against violations of themselves. Masculine privacy focuses on the ways in which disembodied or abstract data – guarded by or as forms of property – poses challenges to professional and public reputations. Feminine constructions of privacy are preoccupied with invasions of the autonomy and dignity of embodied selves. In order to further develop privacy law in Australia, we must first recognize that gender fundamentally influences our paradigms and priorities of privacy protection – as seen in pressing debates about online consumer data protection and ‘revenge pornography’.

Jessica Lake's book is eye-opening: The Face That Launched a Thousand Lawsuits
The American Women Who Forged a Right to Privacy

Decent look inside function:

The Face That Launched a Thousand Lawsuits

A compelling account of how women shaped the common law right to privacy during the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries Drawing on a wealth of orig...

https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300214222/the-face-that-launched-a-thousand-lawsuits

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/10/2023 16:28

RethinkingLife · 27/10/2023 15:02

Why the hell did 207 go along with this? What are we teaching (or not teaching) our girls?

They don't exist as the legal entity of a sex class.
They have no rights independent of the sole sex class.
They are walk-ons in the drama of the lives of men.
Society has normalised pornification.

Add to this:
When men tell you that you are to undress in front of boys and men to validate them, you must comply or you're a bigot
That girls and women have no rights to boundaries with unknown men. You must comply with their demands to access your undressed body for their own demands. No arguments.

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