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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sense in the family court?

24 replies

IcakethereforeIam · 22/10/2023 02:31

This seems encouraging. Divorced parents, gender confused teenager. Mum watchful waiting, dad gung-ho for Gender GP. A judge has agreed the child cannot be treated outside the NHS.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mother-wins-landmark-court-ruling-to-stop-child-having-private-trans-treatment-3zgxpnkwq

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Mother wins landmark court ruling to stop child having private trans treatment

A mother has won the first High Court ruling to stop her child, who believes they are the opposite sex, being treated outside the NHS. The interim order, made in August, prevents the woman’s ex-husband from allowing the 15-year-old to receive private t...

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mother-wins-landmark-court-ruling-to-stop-child-having-private-trans-treatment-3zgxpnkwq

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MidWineCent · 22/10/2023 03:46

No comments allowed on the article I've noticed.

Kudos to the Mum for pushing back on this. It's just a shame that the NHS doesn't actually provide a 'watchful waiting" service. That the 'waiting' is due to underfunding hence waiting lists.
Hurrah for one silver lining on the failing NHS.

PriOn1 · 22/10/2023 05:42

I hope that the mum gets all the carrots she needs and that the father sticks to the rules the court has stipulated.

Citrusandginger · 22/10/2023 08:07

I've just seen the article and came to see how the gardening was going. Happy to dig in.

Citrusandginger · 22/10/2023 08:17

If anyone can help with a route towards the digging required, it would be much appreciated.

Cailin66 · 22/10/2023 08:25

Does anyone know the name of websites where mothers seek legal funding.

OldCrone · 22/10/2023 08:36

NHS waiting lists for transgender care for children are leading some to look to the private sector. This month a coroner ruled that lengthy waits contributed to a decline in the mental health of Alice Litman, 20, a trans woman who killed herself while waiting for gender treatment. She had waited more than three years for an assessment.

This is an inaccurate and misleading account of this case. This young person was undergoing hormone treatment prescribed by GenderGP, so was not "waiting for gender treatment". Hormone treatment alone wasn't an adequate solution for this young person's distress.

Citrusandginger · 22/10/2023 09:05

Didn't know that @OldCrone how frustrating that it has been misrepresented in every article I've read.

nauticant · 22/10/2023 09:24

The digging patch can be found by searching for:

ensure my child doesn't medically transition

OldCrone · 22/10/2023 09:30

Citrusandginger · 22/10/2023 09:05

Didn't know that @OldCrone how frustrating that it has been misrepresented in every article I've read.

It's mentioned in some of the articles, but usually tagged on as a minor point with no acknowledgement that describing the treatment which a suicide victim was receiving at the time of their death as "potentially life saving" is contradictory.

This is an example.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/family-good-law-project-surrey-royal-college-of-general-practitioners-gps-b2429355.html

[The inquest] heard Ms Litman had been receiving hormone treatment privately at the time of her death.

Speaking after the inquest conclusion, Ms Litman’s sister Kate Litman said the family want to campaign for GPs to be given the resources to provide potentially life-saving gender-affirming care.

Family of trans woman who died awaiting gender-affirming care ‘continue fight’

An inquest heard waiting for gender-affirming care contributed to a decline in Alice Litman’s mental health.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/family-good-law-project-surrey-royal-college-of-general-practitioners-gps-b2429355.html

Citrusandginger · 22/10/2023 09:39

Thank you @nauticant

LoobiJee · 22/10/2023 10:07

OldCrone · 22/10/2023 08:36

NHS waiting lists for transgender care for children are leading some to look to the private sector. This month a coroner ruled that lengthy waits contributed to a decline in the mental health of Alice Litman, 20, a trans woman who killed herself while waiting for gender treatment. She had waited more than three years for an assessment.

This is an inaccurate and misleading account of this case. This young person was undergoing hormone treatment prescribed by GenderGP, so was not "waiting for gender treatment". Hormone treatment alone wasn't an adequate solution for this young person's distress.

So that’s a second young person who committed suicide whilst under the so-called “care” of GenderGP?

Cailin66 · 22/10/2023 16:00

nauticant · 22/10/2023 09:24

The digging patch can be found by searching for:

ensure my child doesn't medically transition

I like that crowds can get justice by fundraising.

fromorbit · 20/08/2024 06:57

New update gardening needed for this important case:

"I have now heard from the Court of Appeal that I have been granted permission to proceed with my appeal. This is very significant news. In the appeal I have argued that cross sex hormones should not be provided in a private clinic or where there is a disagreement between parents, unless there has been authorisation by the Court. This applies even if the child is 16 years old because of the lifelong risks of this controversial treatment, concerns about the clinical guidelines provided by WPATH and the requirement in the NHS for an independent second opinion from a multi-disciplinary team. One of the reasons the judge stated in the Order granting permission to appeal was:
‘There is a compelling reason for an appeal to be heard, in particular as to whether a court could, or ever should, override the decision of a young person who is over 16 and has capacity to consent to treatment which is being offered by a treating doctor in the UK in circumstances where the treatment which is being offered privately, whilst not lifesaving or sustaining, is irreversible, highly controversial and could not be provided in accordance with some of the recommendations contained in the Cass Review.’
This is the first case in which the higher courts will consider the Cass Review. It will be highly significant for parents, children, doctors and future cases. My hope is that the outcome will be greater protection for vulnerable children from an unsafe controversial treatment that has irreversible lifelong consequences (sterilisation being one of many). This is especially concerning when there is a two tier approach to treating children with gender dysphoria – a cautious approach in the NHS which requires a second independent opinion after lengthy psycho-social intervention, and an approach in the private sector that does not have these protections. "

ArabellaScott · 20/08/2024 07:29

Good to see.this coming up in court.

Wishing the mother the strength she needs; this must be so hard. And hoping that the child at the centre is being well supported, too.

borntobequiet · 20/08/2024 07:32

Definitely one for a good bit of gardening.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/08/2024 08:51

Goodness - that mother has a mountain to climb in terms of funding. But what an important case and hopefully, in the light of Cass, one that should be straightforward given the exposure about the lack of research and evidence.

Forester1 · 20/08/2024 13:29

What do we need to search for if we want to plant some seeds?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/08/2024 13:42

Cailin66 · 22/10/2023 16:00

I like that crowds can get justice by fundraising.

@Forester1

This post will help

Forester1 · 20/08/2024 14:00

Thanks but still not sure what to search for when I get there.

NoWordForFluffy · 20/08/2024 14:03

Forester1 · 20/08/2024 14:00

Thanks but still not sure what to search for when I get there.

Did you check the quote history?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/08/2024 16:04

Forester1 · 20/08/2024 14:00

Thanks but still not sure what to search for when I get there.

Search for "ensure my child doesn't medically transition" plus the name of a crowd funding site

princessleah1 · 20/08/2024 18:09

Thanks for sharing. I went into the well known justice site for crowds and searched "transition"

borntobequiet · 23/08/2024 08:53

Bumping this - there’s lots more gardening to do.

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