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New Book about 'detrans from guy who used to work at Tavi.

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RedToothBrush · 21/10/2023 09:00

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12623643/Being-trans-non-binary-new-sub-culture-risk-raising-nation-chemically-castrated-children-Doctor-spent-12-years-working-vulnerable-teens-Tavistock-warns-gender-ideology.html

Now a Consultant Psychiatrist on Harley Street, he told MailOnline society is in an 'awful situation' when it comes to trans people - and it's even worse for those who realise they want to revert to their original sex.

Such people are known as detransitioners, or detrans.

It is unclear how many trans people who have a sex change detransition. Dr Hakeem said trans activists often claim it is one per cent, but this was 'made up'.

He added the reality is that no one knows, because sex changes are 'the only medical or surgical intervention for which there is no follow-up data collected or follow-up studies'.

He said 26 per cent of his patients at the Tavistock and Portman regretted transitioning.

Dr Hakeem said: 'They are left in this situation of being adults with no genitals who the services don't want to see and the trans community disowns.

'Everyone is using the term trans but its an umbrella term. No one talks about transvestites.

'It's so unfashionable to be called transvestite so they lump them all as trans.

'The majority of trans are transvestites - that's more a fetish thing.'

By saying trans, Dr Hazkeem said, 'You're lumping [transexuals] together people who have fetishes - men who get excited about wearing women's clothes, and then men who fantasise about having a vagina and breasts.'

He added: 'Kids are all identifying as trans or non-binary.

'It's become a new subculture. I was a post-punk goth. The current subculture is not a medical condition.

'They are not really trans, it's just the cool thing to do. When I was a teenage goth there was no goth identity clinic, luckily.

'We are castrating them chemically with puberty blockers. We think it's treatment but it's not the solution.

'It's an awful situation.

'The culture is one where people don't challenge someone who says they are a different sex.

'Increasingly organisations are going on with this narrative that people are born in the wrong body.

'No one is born in the wrong body.'

Dr Hakeem hopes his book will give a voice to detransitioners but also 'allow people to think outside of this very rigid gender stereotype they are being given'.

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He said the increase of kids identifying as trans was down to 'a mixture of societal pressure and reinforcement by organisation who have been indoctrinated'.

Dr Hakeem said it was completely normal for a child to question their gender.

However, instead of asking children why are thinking that, many people are simply agreeing with them, or 'affirming' their choice.

He said: 'There's a big push for affirmation only. Affirmation is not therapy, it's a form of grooming.
'We cart them off to gender clinics and physically castrate them.

'Proper therapy is asking the child how they came to that conclusion, not just to say "yes you are [trans]".

'There's this myth that people are born in the wrong body.'

He added that the existence of scores of different genders was 'nonsense'.

'It's not evidence based. They have captured schools, the police, universities.

'It's a bit like people in a cult. They believe it. They are not psychopathic, malicious people.

'They have been scared into believing his. If you're not with them you're against them.

'That's why you can't have a debate.

'They try and destroy you, get you cancelled, complain to your employer.'

Thank goodness for this!

This will hopefully open the conversation up. This is a doctor saying there is a high percentage of fetishism going on.

Can we start to say that now?

We risk raising nation of chemically castrated kids, says Tavistock Dr

EXCLUSIVE: Dr Az Hakeem (pictured) worked at the Tavistock and Portman Foundation Trust for 12 years and is the author of Detrans: When Transition Is Not The Solution.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12623643/Being-trans-non-binary-new-sub-culture-risk-raising-nation-chemically-castrated-children-Doctor-spent-12-years-working-vulnerable-teens-Tavistock-warns-gender-ideology.html

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RainWithSunnySpells · 21/10/2023 09:39

Some incredily powerful quotes there.

Thanks for posting.

RedToothBrush · 21/10/2023 09:49

It is kinda worrying that a man who now works on Harley Street had 25% of his patients regret the care they had under him, mind...

... And now he gets to make money of the back of the fact that 25% of his patients who were experimented on, have their lives fucked up.

I DO think he is acting in good faith, but how was it ever allowed to get to that point? Who was responsible for the destruction of so many lives? Why weren't doctors saying no?

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Crouton19 · 21/10/2023 09:59

He did a great interview on Gender A Wider Lens where he explained he ran a support group for people who were thinking of transitioning and merged it with another group of people who had already transitioned and it was apparently very good at showing the reality and helping people see that surgery might not solve their problems.

PosterBoy · 21/10/2023 10:03

Society has always been keen on controlling the fertility of those it has a problem with, for whatever reason. I've always thought that's why there's not much pushback from the public over chemical and surgical sterilisation of trans kids - it suits a lot of people's views, subconsciously.

RedToothBrush · 21/10/2023 10:05

Crouton19 · 21/10/2023 09:59

He did a great interview on Gender A Wider Lens where he explained he ran a support group for people who were thinking of transitioning and merged it with another group of people who had already transitioned and it was apparently very good at showing the reality and helping people see that surgery might not solve their problems.

Thats really good.

There needs to be so much more of that going on.

I do feel the cult like nature of it, and the way that transition is sold (and yes sales pitch like) to kids promises what it can't possibly deliver.

That could be banned under conversion therapy laws though. Thats whats really scary.

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heathspeedwell · 21/10/2023 10:33

I think it's very positive when medical professionals are able to admit they were wrong.

Far too many well-meaning but ill-advised people still spout nonsense about puberty blockers being the 'world standard' of care. The fact is that there still isn't much proper research and what we do have points to them doing a lot more harm than good.

RoyalCorgi · 21/10/2023 11:06

RedToothBrush · 21/10/2023 09:49

It is kinda worrying that a man who now works on Harley Street had 25% of his patients regret the care they had under him, mind...

... And now he gets to make money of the back of the fact that 25% of his patients who were experimented on, have their lives fucked up.

I DO think he is acting in good faith, but how was it ever allowed to get to that point? Who was responsible for the destruction of so many lives? Why weren't doctors saying no?

It's not clear from that quote that he helped them transition, and that they later regretted it. Maybe he tried to dissuade them from transitioning? Maybe they came to him after transitioning? (I don't know if that was possible at GIDS.)

RedToothBrush · 21/10/2023 11:17

RoyalCorgi · 21/10/2023 11:06

It's not clear from that quote that he helped them transition, and that they later regretted it. Maybe he tried to dissuade them from transitioning? Maybe they came to him after transitioning? (I don't know if that was possible at GIDS.)

As I say I think hes acting in good faith.

It doesn't mean he is responsible personally. But someone is.

Who WAS signing off transition on these kids? And when are they going to be investigated.

He should never of being in a position of having 25% of his patients regretting their transition.

Remember the Tavistock were treating children with a treatment that had never been properly researched and approved as being definitely beneficial. And the Tavistock were failing to follow up on what was happening to these children.

He can't tell us, what the rate of detransition is. Because no one knows.

Its appalling.

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heathspeedwell · 21/10/2023 12:35

Thanks for highlighting this Red, I've ordered the book. I hope some other newspapers pick up on this because some people just dismiss anything they read in the mail even though it has actually been really good at covering these issues.

ATowerOfGiraffes · 21/10/2023 12:39

He packs no punches with his clear and direct language. Refreshing when, as mentioned in the article, no-debate has historically closed research and monitoring and opportunities to openly discuss concerns (no one talks about.... They try and destroy you.....). Hoping it opens more eyes.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 21/10/2023 13:12

PosterBoy · 21/10/2023 10:03

Society has always been keen on controlling the fertility of those it has a problem with, for whatever reason. I've always thought that's why there's not much pushback from the public over chemical and surgical sterilisation of trans kids - it suits a lot of people's views, subconsciously.

Yes. I think a great many people are secretly content that autistic children are identifying as trans and then voluntarily seeking surgical treatment that will sterilise them.

Autistic spectrum disorders do have a genetic component, so I sometimes darkly wonder whether someone has run the numbers and decided that removing/damaging these patients' reproductive organs will ultimately save the NHS money.

SpiderMaam · 21/10/2023 13:34

Dr Az worked with post transition adult transsexuals, iirc, not kids or teens.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 21/10/2023 13:42

He said 26 per cent of his patients at the Tavistock and Portman regretted transitioning.

When I read that I just knew it was open to misunderstanding!

Az Hakim started a clinic specifically for men who had come to regret their transition over the years, probably the first ever such clinic, at a time when other professionals didn't know what to do with them. And that clinic made up 26% of his patients. These were not patients he had counselled through/about transition himself.

He did not work with children, he was in the adult clinic, and this was before transitioning teens or children became practice.

RedToothBrush · 21/10/2023 13:44

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 21/10/2023 13:42

He said 26 per cent of his patients at the Tavistock and Portman regretted transitioning.

When I read that I just knew it was open to misunderstanding!

Az Hakim started a clinic specifically for men who had come to regret their transition over the years, probably the first ever such clinic, at a time when other professionals didn't know what to do with them. And that clinic made up 26% of his patients. These were not patients he had counselled through/about transition himself.

He did not work with children, he was in the adult clinic, and this was before transitioning teens or children became practice.

That makes more sense. It's very badly written if that's the case.

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IncomingTraffic · 21/10/2023 13:50

He said: 'There's a big push for affirmation only. Affirmation is not therapy, it's a form of grooming.

Can someone explain this to the prime minister please?

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 21/10/2023 13:55

RedToothBrush · 21/10/2023 13:44

That makes more sense. It's very badly written if that's the case.

I blame the Daily Mail Grin If you listen to the interviews mentioned upthread it's a lot clearer.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 21/10/2023 13:58

We desperately need doctors with his experience speaking out about what's happening to children. As someone who worked with adults with regret, he's well placed to comment on the dire consequences of this. And to use clear unambiguous language about what society has stood back and allowed to happen. Like this comment:
"There's a big push for affirmation only. Affirmation is not therapy, it's a form of grooming. We cart them off to gender clinics and physically castrate them"
The societal grooming of children has been unforgivable with anyone raising concerns about it being immediately silenced - even on this board. We don't affirm children with other mental health disorders (self harm, eating disorders, suicidal ideation). We identify grooming (pro ana sites, social contagion etc) and warn children away. Why do we not apply the same standard to those adults & groups determined to transition children?

NewDogOwner · 21/10/2023 14:35

He inherited these groups when he started working at the clinic.

Firsttimecaller · 21/10/2023 18:30

RedToothBrush · 21/10/2023 09:49

It is kinda worrying that a man who now works on Harley Street had 25% of his patients regret the care they had under him, mind...

... And now he gets to make money of the back of the fact that 25% of his patients who were experimented on, have their lives fucked up.

I DO think he is acting in good faith, but how was it ever allowed to get to that point? Who was responsible for the destruction of so many lives? Why weren't doctors saying no?

He clarifies in comments that he only treated adults at the Portman with psychotherapy but hugely regretted and criticised internally and now externally what GID have been doing since 2000 for/to children.

ArabellaScott · 21/10/2023 18:34

Wow. Clear, strong, and devastating.

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