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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
Tallisker · 20/10/2023 13:22

I understand SEEN are battling every step of the way, and if you've read any of the Jo Phoenix threads you'll see exactly what they're up against. Have you joined? There is a climate of fear among people I know about admitting their GC views. The Civil Service is very captured.

RethinkingLife · 20/10/2023 13:22

Wow.

I shall wait for Part 2 and actions arising with bated breath.

MissPettigrewIsWFH · 20/10/2023 13:26

@Tallisker - I'm not aCivil Servant unfortunately. This was shared by a colleague on an HR discussion group. It should really give some organsiations food for thought!

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FannyCann · 20/10/2023 13:28

Saints preserve us from Will.
Or was he trying (unsuccessfully) to have a joke and a laugh?

Interesting article on pronoun usage within the Civil Service
CorruptedCauldron · 20/10/2023 13:31

This anonymous comment near the end was heartbreaking:

My line manager, a pleasant bloke with young children, has ‘pronouns he/him’ after his name on his email signature. Next to it, he has carefully made a hyperlink marked ‘Why do I do this?’, which links to a political blog about ‘allyship’. Whenever an email from him pops up, there also pops up the ‘pronouns he/him’. And every time his name and pronouns pop up on my screen, I get a lurch of dread in my stomach and fight back tears. My lovely, fragile young niece comes into my mind again, I feel helpless, and I can’t concentrate on my work. My teenaged, soon-to-be-adult niece, who has for years struggled with depression, anxiety and obsessive-compulsive disorder. We all helped and supported her as best as we could and hoped maturity and time would work its magic and foster her growing into the strong, healthy young woman we know she can be, just like a million awkward teenagers before her have grown up and worked it out. Instead, she got caught up in the gender identity movement and is trapped in an alternate universe.
Now she feels ‘special’ and ‘chosen’, rather than just an awkward ugly duckling who got teased by the cool kids. Now she is praised for her ‘bravery’ by the cool kids at her new 6th Form and they tell her the rest of the world is against her and only her ‘allies’ will defend her. […]
We try still to hold her as close as we can and tell her we love her just the way she is, and that she doesn’t need to pretend to be a boy for the world to accept her. We hope we can keep hold of her before she is old enough to buy cross-sex hormones or get on a surgery waiting list to have her breasts chopped off. She threatens both on her darkest days, full of weeping and panic attacks.
Does my line manager know about girls like my niece? Every day, I think, I must talk to him. But what can I say, when our workplace policies allow and encourage ‘pronouns’? He has also been praised as ‘brave’, for being ‘a good ally to vulnerable people’. Does he know how this violent political movement of gender identity, that he so casually promotes with his ‘pronouns’, damages vulnerable girls like my niece? If he doesn’t know, why doesn’t he bother to find out? If he does know, how can he be so callous?

FannyCann · 20/10/2023 13:32

But yes. There are some good responses and it must be very hard for some people who are under so much pressure with respect to this.
I attended the MOJ in early 2020 for a meeting with the Law Commission which is housed within the building. The place was PLASTERED with Stonewall posters, Stonewall 100 best LGBTQ employers index, banners, posters in the lifts. Rainbow lanyards de rigueur.
I found it really intimidating. I can't imagine having to work in that sort of environment.

Sisterpita · 20/10/2023 18:25

This is a thoughtful post
I am non-binary and I include my pronouns in my email signature and it is also configured to appear in Teams via an option in my Global Address List Entry. It allows colleagues to correctly gender me in meetings without me having to state my pronouns regularly or correct them if they initially assume I use different pronouns. This makes me feel much more included, less stressed, and less awkward.’

I also agree with the posts about the CS code.

My view is that CS should not require anyone to state pronouns as it is a breach of CS code. However, CS who are non-binary or transgender should be able to use them as stated above. This to me is a pragmatic solution that respects different views and allows colleagues to correctly gender those who are NB or TG with out imposing their belief on everyone.

ResisterRex · 20/10/2023 18:48

CS who are "non-binary" aren't legally protected. No one is obliged to indulge them or whatever fantasies of self they have in their heads at any given time.

Sisterpita · 20/10/2023 19:00

ResisterRex · 20/10/2023 18:48

CS who are "non-binary" aren't legally protected. No one is obliged to indulge them or whatever fantasies of self they have in their heads at any given time.

Detransitioners are also not legally protected. Kiera Bell has a GRC with no way to legally revert back to female.

NotTooLate · 20/10/2023 19:07

I work for the MOJ, haven't seen any rainbow lanyards or posters in our office building, some people have pronouns in their email signature but the majority don't who I work with

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