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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Finally! A detailed reference document to define Queerphobia!

70 replies

Kucinghitam · 17/10/2023 13:06

Go forth and educate yourselves, ye nest of vipers, so that ye shall understand why the Righteous must Scold ye to save yer Souls Wink

https://thecritic.co.uk/nowt-so-queerphobic-as-folk/

Nowt so queerphobic as folk | Nathan Williams | The Critic Magazine

The Greens have gone gaga over gender and sexuality…

https://thecritic.co.uk/nowt-so-queerphobic-as-folk/

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BlackJumpsuit · 19/10/2023 10:40

SidewaysOtter · 17/10/2023 21:49

Just as well that they’re politically irrelevant then, isn’t it?

Thankfully

StealthHedgehog · 19/10/2023 12:13

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StealthHedgehog · 19/10/2023 12:14

BlessedKali · 18/10/2023 22:59

I agree, it does feel like there is a mult-angled attempt at creating legal barriers that protect 'sexualities' and once those protective barriers are solidly in place, paedophiles will just spring up and announce their arrival, whilst pointing the legal barriers that protect them.

That was my first thought when reading the whole thing.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/10/2023 13:05

I'm interested to see what they intend to do with it. Are they actually thinking that they can use it to discriminate against people who don't share their views? When there are 3 discrimination and harassment cases going through the courts already?

Rightsraptor · 19/10/2023 13:14

I just read the entire thing and it's bonkers from beginning to end. Talking of ends, did anyone else notice the pagination? The final two pages say 'page 8 of 7' and 'page 9 of 7'.

It's nothing but a wishlist composed by highly partisan people. I say that, but does it have any status in the GPEW, do we know? I hope they haven't actually adopted it as policy. Its aim seems to be to terrify anyone from speaking to anyone else lest they get upset. Or prosecute.

And they really shouldn't be making statements about medical conditions that they don't understand, like CAH, Kleinfelter's, Turner's etc. Why is it ok to ban medical treatment for children with conditions such as hypospadias, which seriously compromise quality of life, while encouraging mastectomy for young girls?

I hope this is one more nail in the coffin of the GPEW.

StealthHedgehog · 19/10/2023 13:40

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/10/2023 13:05

I'm interested to see what they intend to do with it. Are they actually thinking that they can use it to discriminate against people who don't share their views? When there are 3 discrimination and harassment cases going through the courts already?

It's Stazi-esque.

I can't see it getting past any lawyer.

Riverlee · 19/10/2023 14:28

ArabellaScott · 17/10/2023 16:02

I think you've misread my comment.

I'm not interested in their description of transphobia, transphobia as a term and idea has been so thoroughly overused as to be utterly meaningless.

What I'm concerned by is the suggestion that anyone has to 'refuse' to have sex with someone.

It's assuming a blanket assumption that (women, particularly) have a default agreement to sex that requires a woman to state 'no' - and the wording implies furthermore that she is required to explain her reasons.

I've discussed this before on this board, and I know some people struggle with ideas surrounding consent.

Consent isn't about someone saying 'no'. Consent requires an enthusiastic, fully informed 'yes'. Women are not service sexbots that have to explain why they don't want to have sex with people.

Women are perfectly capable of making their own decisions of with whom, and when, and in what circumstances they are interested in having sex, without anyone judging their motivations or questioning their reasoning.

Nobody should assume that a woman is open to sex with everyone and has to say 'no'. Everyone should assume that everyone else is NOT interested in sex with them unless it's made explicitly clear they are.

Saying 'I am a lesbian, and attracted to women' is a sexual orientation or preference. A positive choice.

Consent is not and should never be defined by the groups a woman isn't attracted to.

Nobody needs to make a list of 'who they won't have sex with'. It's absurd to even suggest it.

Just read this and found it fascinating. People definantly need to understand that consent is given when someone says ‘yes’, and not that by not saying no, they mean yes (if that makes sense).

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 19/10/2023 14:57

Do ‘tree-huggers’ get a mention? That’s what DF used to call the ‘Greens’ before they were a proper party.

PonyPatter44 · 19/10/2023 19:26

Trans people are just a stalking horse here. The main purpose of this is to allow the MAPs to break cover. They would like nothing more than to be 'out and proud' about paedophilia.

I am so frustrated that the trans / NB / BeKind people cannot see this.

Crankywiddershins · 20/10/2023 06:08

Rightsraptor · 19/10/2023 13:14

I just read the entire thing and it's bonkers from beginning to end. Talking of ends, did anyone else notice the pagination? The final two pages say 'page 8 of 7' and 'page 9 of 7'.

It's nothing but a wishlist composed by highly partisan people. I say that, but does it have any status in the GPEW, do we know? I hope they haven't actually adopted it as policy. Its aim seems to be to terrify anyone from speaking to anyone else lest they get upset. Or prosecute.

And they really shouldn't be making statements about medical conditions that they don't understand, like CAH, Kleinfelter's, Turner's etc. Why is it ok to ban medical treatment for children with conditions such as hypospadias, which seriously compromise quality of life, while encouraging mastectomy for young girls?

I hope this is one more nail in the coffin of the GPEW.

"9 of 7" maybe the document identifies as a unit of gender Borg?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/10/2023 15:13

The Green Party Regional Council have apparently suspended the co-chair of the Green Party Women's group, this is one of several suspensions of a GC co chair of this group in a few years.

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/message-from-zoe-hatch-to-green-party

"Dear .....,

I received notification today that Joe Hudson-Small, Melanie Earp and John Macefield have voted to suspend me from the party for the email I sent to you on 13th October titled Green Party Women under attack. These named individuals are the ‘on call’ members of GPRC who are supposed to protect the party from the most egregious threats to its reputation. My alleged offence was to send an email talking about how Green Party Women are under attack. The attack on Green Party Women has now been made more clear than ever before, for that at least we perhaps owe them a debt of gratitude. The fervent behaviour of the zealots within the party who are intent on silencing women are the ones bringing the party into disrepute - and it has got to stop. NOW.

As members are aware I am leading the GPW project to compile a dossier of evidence for the EHRC detailing discrimination and detriment towards women on the basis of their Gender Critical (GC) views. Being put on NFS has the intention of denying me access to any of the benefits of party membership and consequently silencing my voice.

Unlawful behaviour
Members of GPRC have clearly gone rogue and are acting unlawfully here. Instead of looking after the wellbeing of the party, as they are tasked to do, they are instead directly flouting the legal advice given to them by their own solicitors. This advice clearly defines the offence of victimisation as sanctioning or treating someone badly who has whistleblown regarding discrimination. According to the Equality Act 2010 this is against the law.

Legal Advice
You can read the full legal advice from Bates Wells solicitors here. In my view this information should be sent to all members and I urge you now to send it to your local party officers before further wrongdoing occurs. It is not an offence to share legal advice with your colleagues. Indeed, this advice could be the only thing that saves the party from further legal costs, financial ruin and resultant collapse.

GPRC ‘authority’ is not recognised
I have today written to Jon Nott as Chair of GPEX advising him that it is GPRC and the on-calls who are breaking the law. As such, I do not recognise the authority of the so-called No Fault Suspension. I will be remaining in post as GPW Co-Chair and will continue to host meetings and events until the end of my term of office. 

GPRC want to bring down Green Party Women
It has been clear for some time that GPRC are keen to close down Green Party Women. In April and June this year GPRC held two emergency meetings to try to have the GC members of GPRC expelled from the party. You can read more about that sorry saga here. It was only the heroic efforts of Martha James and others that prevented this from happening. Now Martha has stepped down as GPRC Co-Chair citing her reason that “GPRC is not working as it should”. Personally I think Martha massively understates the corrupt practices she and others have witnessed. Now she has stepped aside it is becoming clearer for all to see.

In the email I wrote to you last week I said I was taking legal advice, that is because we received yet another email from a large number of people who yet again claimed that we were transphobic for advocating for women’s rights to safety, fairness and dignity on the basis of our sex. They were calling for an EGM to get rid of us.

Organised attack in summary
In total now, there have been 8 complaints made against the GC members of GPW. 5 have come from Chesca Walton, all calling for us to be expelled from the party. GPRC have had at least 2 emergency meetings to try to suspend us, SOC have been asked to rule against us as unconstitutional, SOC facilitated a rogue report going out against us, allowed a defamatory attack against us to go unchecked at the AGM and then prevented us from speaking in our defence at the GPEW conference, all in an effort to publicly humiliate us. Members have been galvanised to engage in a transphobia smear campaign that seeks to shut us down. When we finally speak up about this, after months of what feels like being in a deeply abusive relationship, the party decides to try and silence us to stop YOU the membership from knowing what is going on.

This is, of course, also an attempt to silence the women from the Green Women's Declaration who will be giving their presentation and Q&A to Green Party Women on Thursday evening - an event which I am scheduled to chair.

I am happy to report to you that I am YOUR Green Party Women Co-Chair. There is nothing that can be done to silence me and my fellow GC members.

The days of bullying and silencing women in this party are behind us. We stand strong and we stand together. We do not recognise the authority of this GPRC NFS and we will continue.

Warmly yours,

Zoe Hatch
Green Party Women Co-Chair.

P.S. There is every chance that this is the last email I will be able to send to you via Action Network. If you would like to be kept up to date with developments in the party PLEASE sign up to the Green Women’s Declaration mailing list linked heree^. You do not have to be a signatory to join the mailing list and your details will be kept confidential. "

MrsOvertonsWindow · 24/10/2023 15:29

There's some serious batshittery going on in the Greens. I know that they evidenced this with the whole Challenor scandal but it's sad to see that they learnt nothing from that and have continued to spiral into a whirlwind of anti -women, misogynistic bullying.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/10/2023 15:40

Their youth group seems to be modelled the Red Guard in the Chinese cultural revolution. I have friends in the party, it's corrupt from the top down, but basically these silly kids are calling all the shots.

ArabellaScott · 24/10/2023 16:02

P.S. There is every chance that this is the last email I will be able to send to you via Action Network.

Isn't it mad, in 2023, women are being driven underground if they want to organise without including men.

Nobody would have believed it twenty years ago.

MrGHardy · 24/10/2023 19:33

Considering that according to the very same people rejecting gender ideology means you are invalidating trans people, they are claiming anyone not submitting to gender ideology is guilty of queerphobia.

WarriorN · 25/10/2023 15:02

The green party's democratic processes are biased towards those who follow queer theory.

There is some serious batshittery.

There are also a lot of men and women not "out" as GC but it's starting to become difficult to remain so.

WarriorN · 25/10/2023 15:08

The extreme irony of a current vote for EDI officer in the greens. This guy however wrote an excellent statement:

x.com/kefentsedennis/status/1712810529306144860?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

WarriorN · 25/10/2023 18:38

The latest email :

A Coup Against Green Party Women
Since Zoe was ousted from the party earlier this week by unjust and potentially unlawful means a coup against GC committee members has been enacted. The Gender Critical members of the committee have had their communications channels removed by GPW Co-Chair, Chesca Walton. She has blocked the rest of the committee from accessing the [email protected]k_ email address. This is an unconstitutional overreach of power and has been enacted with the sole purpose of silencing those speaking up for single-sex spaces in the party.
Crucial Access Denied
Following the dubious suspension of Zoe earlier this week, other gender critical committee members were denied access to all GPW communication tools for a crucial period, during which the minority left on committee sent out unagreed and contested communications to all GPW members, and to national party bodies. Access to Slack (the agreed communication channel for committee work) has still not been rolled out to all members of the committee.
Vote of No-Confidence
As a consequence of ongoing hostile actions, we have today held a vote of No-Confidence in Chesca Walton as our co-chair. This vote is carried, with a majority of the current committee in favour. 

New Committee Election
A new committee with a fresh mandate from the members is now needed. We are giving notice of a new election for the Green Party Committee to run as soon as possible. We remain in post only to oversee the election of a new committee and our resignations will be effected as soon as new election results have been declared. Constitutionally, the committee cannot function without being quorate. Under the Green Party Women constitution, with only 3 members remaining in post, no further actions can be taken by the remaining committee members, including the Co-Chair.
EROsWe have today appointed xxxxx and xxxxxx, our regular EROs, to oversee the election of a new committee. They will be in contact with you in due course to notify you of the election regulations and of the timeline for nominations and voting.

The meeting tomorrow will be going ahead as agreed at a previous committee meeting and will now be hosted by the Green Women’s Declaration.

Bosky · 31/10/2023 03:31

This seems like a big story. Has it been covered in the national press?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/10/2023 08:10

Apart from Shahrar Ali's tribunal, not that I've seen, apart from smaller publications like The Critic.

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