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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trivial - my laser hair removal experience

65 replies

CohensD · 15/10/2023 10:50

I'm a really hairy woman. Thick, dark, coarse body hair (legs, stomach, etc) which would be more common on the opposite sex than on my own. But this is just one way in which females can differ from the average for other females.

A couple of years ago (after years of wrestling with either painful waxing or trying to not mind not fitting the mold), I got some laser hair removal, because there were some areas I just couldn't learn to love this hair on. It cost me over a grand (on some quite limited areas).
In the waiting room, I met a transwoman who was getting the whole lot done on the NHS.

Obviously, this is very trivial. But it really fucked me off. Just wanted to share, and this seems an obvious place 😁

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eurochick · 15/10/2023 22:08

Another one with pcos here who has spent thousands over the years on hair removal, from spending all my teenage Saturday job money on electrolysis, to laser when I could afford it and more recently Lumea. I'm glad the rules have apparently changed as it seems women couldn't get nhs treatment to relieve the symptoms of a physical health condition while men with gender dysphoria (which doesn't appear to be a physical health condition and we are repeatedly told it is not a mental health condition so I am not really sure why the nhs is involved at all) could.

MargotBamborough · 15/10/2023 22:12

TRA logic: you can be a woman with a penis but you can't be a woman with a hairy chin.

Make it make sense.

ArabellaScott · 15/10/2023 22:22

agent765 · 15/10/2023 21:21

We would remove varicose veins from MEN in our NHS clinic but not women.

We were told that women wanted them removed only for cosmetic reasons as they wear skirts (I don't!) and that men had a 'real' reason for removal.

What the fucking FUCK

quantumbutterfly · 15/10/2023 22:48

AlphaTransWoman · 15/10/2023 21:36

Cant speak for other trans women, but I paid for my own laser hair removal. I'm sympathetic to the idea of people on low incomes getting help with the NHS for it but personally I feel anyone, trans or otherwise, who can afford to pay for it themselves should do so.

I have had many conversations with my children about the difference between 'I want' and 'I need'.

Maddy70 · 15/10/2023 22:53

They will do hair removal on the NHS for anyone if it is affecting you psychologically the same as some cosmetic surgery is available on the NHS for anyone

Ask your gp

Waitwhat23 · 15/10/2023 23:42

Maddy70 · 15/10/2023 22:53

They will do hair removal on the NHS for anyone if it is affecting you psychologically the same as some cosmetic surgery is available on the NHS for anyone

Ask your gp

'Laser removal of facial hair may be available on the NHS in some parts of the UK.' (my bolds)

From - www.nhs.uk/conditions/polycystic-ovary-syndrome-pcos/treatment/#:~:text=If%20you%20have%20unwanted%20hair,some%20parts%20of%20the%20UK.&text=These%20medicines%20are%20not%20suitable,or%20trying%20to%20get%20pregnant.

Not in my area certainly. I wonder where in the UK this is offered.

Waitwhat23 · 15/10/2023 23:59

Maddy70 · 15/10/2023 22:53

They will do hair removal on the NHS for anyone if it is affecting you psychologically the same as some cosmetic surgery is available on the NHS for anyone

Ask your gp

And in terms of 'affecting you psychologically', I had such severe acne (caused by my PCOS) that I was regularly asked if I'd been in an accident (it's actually astounding how rude people can be really). Doctors could not have cared less how it affected me psychologically.

And I'd obviously far rather that NHS resources were focused on diagnosing diseases earlier, and improving maternity outcomes, and saving people's lives and all the rest of the pressing issues facing the NHS. My acne was incredibly trivial in the whole scheme of things.

But no, women with PCOS aren't offered treatments to allievate any psychological distress caused by the symptoms of the syndrome.

(Edited as I had repeatedly spelled psychological incorrectly 🤦‍♀️)

Crankywiddershins · 16/10/2023 06:14

@Alopeciabop "every penny spent on their fantasy bollocks"
I Feel compelled to point out that the only bit of this whole story that ISN'T fantasy is their bollocks

Cappuccinfortwo · 16/10/2023 07:23

That's awful. I live abroad and have had varicose vein treatment on the equivalent of the NHS. The criteria was purely medical for both sexes. Shocking.

zozueme · 16/10/2023 09:43

I don't think the NHS should cover any aspect of gender reassignment at all. It's on its knees as it is without spending time and money on unnecessary elective treatments changing perfectly healthy bodies.

RethinkingLife · 16/10/2023 10:11

agent765 · 15/10/2023 21:21

We would remove varicose veins from MEN in our NHS clinic but not women.

We were told that women wanted them removed only for cosmetic reasons as they wear skirts (I don't!) and that men had a 'real' reason for removal.

The contempt for women runs strong in the NHS.

Why hasn't this been challenged?

RethinkingLife · 16/10/2023 10:13

Maddy70 · 15/10/2023 22:53

They will do hair removal on the NHS for anyone if it is affecting you psychologically the same as some cosmetic surgery is available on the NHS for anyone

Ask your gp

The commissioning differences throughout the NHS are remarkable.

Some people get vitamin D infusions, others get told that no matter how chronically deficient they are, they are an OTC purchase. Similarly for problematic B12.

Some can have NICE recommended treatments, other trusts refuse to commission them.

The disparities are extraordinary.

MargotBamborough · 16/10/2023 10:13

RethinkingLife · 16/10/2023 10:11

The contempt for women runs strong in the NHS.

Why hasn't this been challenged?

Women probably didn't know that men were being treated favourably.

DiscoDragon · 16/10/2023 10:23

That's shit! I've been battling a thick black beard for years and its made my life absolutely fucking miserable , it never crossed my mind to even bother asking my GP about it. Thankfully the lady at our local beauty salon told me about Laser Clinics UK which is really affordable.

What pisses me off though is that almost every time I've had to call my GP recently the receptionist has told me that the GP no longer treats Under 60's for just about any fucking thing. I spent the best part of 20 years suffering with kidney infections/UTI's due to a huge kidney stone. I've had multiple surgeries and eventually lost a kidney. Rang the GP a few weeks back with a UTI to be told "no sorry, you're under 60. But you can just go the pharmacy and they'll give you a course of antibiotics". So I went up to the pharmacy to be told that no they wont. There is literally no fucking point now in me trying to see a GP for anything! Yet men can get free beauty treatments on the NHS wow!

Imicola · 16/10/2023 14:17

zozueme · 16/10/2023 09:43

I don't think the NHS should cover any aspect of gender reassignment at all. It's on its knees as it is without spending time and money on unnecessary elective treatments changing perfectly healthy bodies.

I agree, I consider it to be form of cosmetic surgery which carries significant health risks.

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