Janice Turner puts the boot into @glinner

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Janice Turner's 'review' of Graham Linehan's book. Why would she do this?
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I don't agree with all Graham Linehan says or writes but I have admired his dedication and the fact that he was one of those who helped bring light when all was dark. I have loved his comedic stuff over the years and I bought his book to acknowledge that he had lost much. I don't think he, or Parker are great for GC debate, but every cause has its outliers and I just accept that they sometimes have more extreme views than I do. I found Janice Turners article interesting. It was she who got me to take a good look at what was going on. I am eternally grateful to her.

Agree absolutely why is Glinner the only UK man I can immediately name on this? When I can reel off a while load of excellent women’s names?
Gratitude to an individual man must be particularly iritating to the multitude of brave individual women enduring in some cases possibly even worse flak than Linehan gets.

but it’s not a zero sum game and he IS the only man. He symbolises what I wish other men would stand up for instead of leaving women to get all the rape and death threats.

So yes i’m grateful for Glinner for getting involved because men can and should and they are very much not getting involved, in the main, and we will need more men to do it to gain the consensus that will win this. That’s just the nature of any influencing campaign that needs broad support. They need a diversity of people’s opinions to reach and convince a diversity of people.

I LOOK FORWARD TO THE DAY EVRYONE FINALLY WISES UP AND AGREES WI ME

It will be a marker of GC success if in 10 years Glinner is writing snarky articles about where all the Johnny come Latelys were when he was alone in the trenches

I'm always glad to hear alternative perspectives within GC circles. We don't have to agree all the time, and I don't really believe in having anyone on a pedestal.

This looks petty, and I'm usually always a fan of Turner's pieces. It really looks like a "well, his approach is a bit, well, coarse, and frankly unbecoming", some petty points scoring because of blocking and lack of name checks, and a re-run of the "this isn't the pure approach to gender criticism that is the only correct one" peddled by Dr. Jane Clare Jones against KJK.

I'd go so far as to call her words spiteful.

NAE NEED TO BRING PEDESTALS INTAE IT

It is annoying that a man gets accolades for women's work I know. But that is the world we live in. In regard to @glinner though, he has lost everything through standing up for women, and he comes across as a man who really likes us. Unlike Matt Walsh, for example, who I watch with gritted teeth.

Realfeminist - hi 👋

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Pedestals are mentioned so often, but I can honestly say I've never seen one in my 59 years, lol.

Exactly, or any of the self congratulatory free speech YouTube boys who have wierd attitudes to women. Some posters on here have lauded them. Or the libertarians like people from Spiked who minimise women’s issues until it suits them. They loathe feminism

Poor old Graham. He's got a good heart and I'm not surprised that the article hurt his feelings.

You expect it from a Guardian writer, but not someone as august as Janice Turner.

Rather, he’s Good Sir Graham up on his charger, nobly defending maidens.

I don't see anything wrong with this. He needs a motivation and I would like to think we'd all do this. We need more men who are willing to defend women, women's rights and vulnerable people in general. Somehow, in the name of equality we've lost heroism...

SOME O THE PEDESTAL CONSPIRACIES ARE JIST DAFT

Plurality of voices. Differences in approach.

There's a phenomenon known as 'premature anti-[X]' and two of the best known instances are to have been a premature anti-fascist or a premature anti-Nazi.

‘Premature anti-fascist’ was the name by which the Lincoln Brigade veterans of the Spanish Civil War were known by the US Army in World War Two. This service and knowledge didn't distinguish them for a leadership position, it was counted as demerit on their record.

In John Platts-Mills' autobiography (barrister and post-war Labour MP), he recalls being ‘excluded from any form of normal war service by the stupidities of Bevin’. He noted: ‘An anti-Nazi history, was of no help and to have been prematurely anti-Nazi was a positive hindrance … we were condemned throughout most of the 1930s on the grounds that only Communists were against the Nazis and this hostility carried over into the war years.’

Commenting on (British?) veterans of the Spanish Civil War, Platts-Mills wrote that ‘many lefties who had served in Spain were called up or were accepted when they volunteered. Several more got in only after a tussle with the authorities.’

Some of the people reviled, deplatformed from various social media, or disdained by others with whom they have a cause in common will find themselves labelled 'premature anti-authoritarians' or some other 'premature anti-[X]'. To some, KJK and Glinner are premature anti-[X], and to others they're battle-scarred and prescient.

And, given the interconnectedness of media centred in London, I doubt Glinner sees Janice Turner's review as anything approaching a surprise to him, far less 'putting the boot in'.

He's likely to be more surprised by public apologies at this stage.

Isn't this the Matt Walsh argument. It'll be men like him, Chris Rufo, dare I say it, President Trump/DeSantis (2024-2028) who brings it to an end? The women, feminists, are happy to engage in a never ending talking shop, but it'll be a male dominated revolution that actually sweeps GI away.

And women will be back to making the sandwiches, serving the coffee, and looking oh-so-delightful.

Maybe Turner just sees Linehan with way too much profile and interprets this as even in a female fight, it's a man who has taken precedence.

Me? Like I don't see TRA as Left wing alone, I don't view the fight against TRA as women alone. Yes, LWS and this FILIA conference need to be female only spaces (men happy to support), but GI also affects males...how are boys meant to negotiate the new gender fluidity minefield? Free speech and no platforming is sex agnostic. Men feel for women, some of us very deeply indeed.

TRA and GI is a societal wide mindfuck of the highest order, men are needed in this fight as well. I do my little bit, but Linehan and his approach are invaluable. And I agree with another poster, he seems to be the only man speaking up.

Just where are the others? Just occasional GC asides from the likes of Ralph Fiennes etc.
I had hopes that Rowan Atkinson who fiercely defends free speech and Sasha Baron Cohen who decries social media mistruths might be more vocal here, criticising TRA/GI would be consistent with their passions, but disappointingly, seen nothing from them.

For Realfeminist

I un subscribed from his substack as it just became so relentless. Up to 4 communications a day. I was and am worried for his health. I don't want to encourage anyone to go down a road that sees them lose everything. I think he is is unhealthily obsessed. I totally get why, this stuff is maddening. If he was a friend, i would be advising him to take a step back. Sometimes, regardless of how just the cause, stepping back is the right thing to do, for you and the cause.

Why the Hell would anyone want to put a person on one of those? Looks damn uncomfortable.

I've had my differences with Glinner, but wouldn't try and sabotage his chances of making a living from his book.

The criticisms from the gentry left journalists and their friends seem to centre on him being insufficiently genteel and not talking about them and their friends enough.

I do get that @TaytoCheeseandOnion im astonished he hasn’t completely broken down with all that’s happened. I suspect the fight is what keeps him going.

Not only have I seen one, I once knocked something off a pedestal (although not a person).

Realityfan

Thank you for doing what you can. I have a son who also does what he can, amidst a working class culture that lauds 'boys will be boys'. It is not easy going against the grain.

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Hi! You are my hero in regards to the widow work you so.