Christian Concern?

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Anyone heard of Christian Concern and Carys Moseley?
What do Christians actually believe wrt transgender ? Does it depend if you are evangelical or Anglican ???

Not heard of that person, but this looks promising:

’We underline the reality and purpose of the distinction between male and female, and challenge transgender ideology’.

From here: https://christianconcern.com/ccissues/gender/#:~:text=We%20underline%20the%20reality%20and,his%20image%20–%20equal%20but%20different.

But there are definitely other a Christian groups/denominations that are full of genderwoo.

Example: https://www.churchofengland.org/sites/default/files/2018-12/pastoral-guidance-affirmation-baptismal-faith.pdf

I get the CC emails and they support people in GC cases, eg a teacher dismissed for talking about boys and girls, a family who pulled their kids out of school when the school were teaching trans beliefs.

Evangelicals would say men are men, women are women; you are who you were created by God, and you live a full life. I would refer to this as core Christian belief.

Anglicans are a bit more wishy-washy - eg there is a CofE church near me with a newly 'out' vicar who 'everyone welcome to be yourself' etc.

The distinction between evangelical and Anglican is false; there are many evangelical Anglicans.

Some evangelical Anglicans hold conservative/traditional views on gender and sexuality, some hold progressive views. Both these views can also be found outside of Anglicanism and outside evangelicalism. Note that gender and sexuality issues tend to come together in Christian thinking, so Christian Concern and similar groups will also be anti-LGB.

Christian Concern are an activist organization set up to defend conservative Christian values through legal challenges.

There is a fairly narrow band of shared values with GC feminists, the basis of Christian Concern’s objections to accepting a TWAW approach is unlikely to be grounded in a rejection of gender as a socially “good” construct, but we would likely be arguing on the same side in a court case around Trans issues.

Apart from trans issues, in most situations where GC feminists and Christian Concern would both be engaged, we would be on opposite sides of the fence. The most prominent probably being abortion and lesbian rights, but also, potentially, things like the rights of Christian schools to teach gendered expectations to students.

What we do share, now that GC feminists have the Forstater ruling, is a use of the courts to enforce the protection the law gives us all not to be discriminated against on the basis of belief, and a strong mutual desire to see adherence to that piece of legislation strengthened in public life.

This article by Carys Moseley is interesting. There's a lot in here that I didn't know about the history of how the GRA came about and the capture of the NHS.

It's from 2017 and there were already lots of examples of the harms of society accepting transgender ideology.

https://christianconcern.com/comment/why-the-transgenderism-is-not-a-single-issue/

You don't have to be a conservative Christian to agree with comments like this:

Far fewer people have had genital gender reassignment surgery than have had cross-sex hormones and surgery aimed at making them look like ‘passable’ members of the opposite sex/gender with their clothes on. Not only is this because there are people out there who want to be sexual hybrids (raising the question of why should our taxes pay for their bizarre sexual fantasies), but also there aren’t enough surgeons working in this field, perhaps unsurprising as this goes against the real purpose of medicine which is to heal sick bodies, not to mutilate healthy ones.

I’m all for single issue alliances of mutual benefit and not having to agree on everything, but any influencing campaign needs credibility and consensus building. This isn’t it.

Personally I wouldn’t want these guys anywhere near my side in a campaign seeking support of MPs. Terrible track record of losing their legal cases too. What have they achieved?

On other issues like abortion their emotive assertions are easily disproven so they lack credibility. Their big supporter has been Nadine Dorries, who isn’t liked even in her own party. Gender critical lobbying must always be truth and reality based because that’s the only way we’ll win. It’s the other side that make things up. GC people don’t need to.

Just look up the 2008 Channel 4 dispatches doc In Gods Name on YouTube to see how Christian Concern operate.