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Labour Conference - A critical time for women’s rights and the left - Morning Star

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fromorbit · 07/10/2023 18:35

The Morning Star continues its gender crit coverage in this important article before the Labour conference tomorrow:

A critical time for women’s rights and the left

On the eve of #Lab23 conference Labour Women’s Declaration Group reflects on how far their campaign has come – and encourages sisters to get involved
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/f/labour-conf-critical-time-womens-rights-and-left

Also I haven't seen a thread on the important four Labour List articles on sex/gender recently published. Worth reading to see state of play inside Labour.

‘Labour’s gender policy is right — and it shows a party ready to govern’Ellie Cumbo
https://labourlist.org/2023/09/labour-trans-rights-gender-policy-women-together/
This defends the new Labour status quo from the faction group Labour Together - trying to appease everyone. Basically Starmer's position.

‘Labour’s got it wrong on self-ID – and a generation won’t forgive us for it’
Alex Charilaou
https://labourlist.org/2023/09/trans-gender-self-id-recognition-labour-stance-wrong/
Labour for Trans Rights attacks everyone else.

‘Labour’s sex and gender stance is a good start, but women’s voices remain repressed’ Alice Bondi
https://labourlist.org/2023/09/labours-sex-and-gender-stance-is-a-good-start-but-womens-voices-remain-repressed/
Labour's Women's Declaration puts its case for acknowledging reality.

‘We should be proud of Labour’s LGBT+ agenda – but keep fighting for self-ID’
Lily Soaper & Dylan Naylor
https://labourlist.org/2023/09/lgbt-labour-trans-rights-gender-self-id-women/
Notice the divide between the language here and Alex Charilaou. This is because Labour for Trans Rights regards LGBT Labour as moderate traitors.

Notice there is no article from the other faction interested in gender Labour Social Conservatives/Blue Labour types who are widely represented in local parties, but generally don't make themselves obvious. Lots of ethnic minorities involved from that perspective.

‘Labour’s gender policy is right — and it shows a party ready to govern’ – LabourList | Latest UK Labour Party news, analysis and comment

Labour Together's Ellie Cumbo writes in the first of a series of pieces by authors with different perspectives on Labour's new stance on gender recognition...…

https://labourlist.org/2023/09/labour-trans-rights-gender-policy-women-together

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Froodwithatowel · 07/10/2023 19:52

Making women's equality, inclusion for 8 other protected characteristics, child safeguarding, non politicised policing, freedom from arrest for heresy and gay rights an exclusively Tory thing is what Sir Humphrey would call a 'courageous' choice.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/10/2023 21:32

Froodwithatowel · 07/10/2023 19:52

Making women's equality, inclusion for 8 other protected characteristics, child safeguarding, non politicised policing, freedom from arrest for heresy and gay rights an exclusively Tory thing is what Sir Humphrey would call a 'courageous' choice.

Indeed - when someone shows you who they are and all that ... 😑

RealityFan · 07/10/2023 21:52

Ellie Cumbo seems to think that Starmer's policy of letting men become women more easily in law when they take office is a "reasonable" compromise.

I'd use the word "unreasonable", or phrase "sell out of women".

But this is the professional left for you, principle means less than politics.

ArabellaScott · 07/10/2023 22:46

Thanks, OP.

'All polls show a clear majority of Labour voters agree with our views; our Declaration is broadly in line with official party positions. Stonewall and LGBT+ Labour etc are now the outliers.'

Labour Women’s Declaration Group

But I like this from Victoria Smith's article, linked in the above:

'Before we are asked to be kind or conciliatory or forgiving, I want an acknowledgement of everything that has been lost.'

RedToothBrush · 07/10/2023 23:23

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12605937/Labour-gender-woke-Rishi-Sunak-woman.html
Labour will make it easier for people to change their gender: Rift opens between the two main parties on 'woke' policies after Rishi Sunak declares a 'woman is a woman
'Party to vote on proposal to 'modernise, simplify and reform' transition process

Labour will make it easier for people to change their gender

Delegates at the party's annual conference in Liverpool this week will vote on a proposal to 'modernise, simplify and reform' the transition process

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12605937/Labour-gender-woke-Rishi-Sunak-woman.html

RealityFan · 07/10/2023 23:35

I don't have great confidence in the Conservatives anytime soon deStonewalling institutions, especially schools and the NHS.
But even less in Labour having anything approaching a cogent position where women and girls aren't thrown under the identarian bus.

There's no doubt that Sunak's declaration of what defines a woman in his speech absolutely opens up this aspect of critical public policy as a major front towards the election, and likely to loom large in the campaign.

No matter how much Starmer spins this as Labour caring both for women AND protecting the rights of trans, all that will be concluded is that Labour thinks men can become women, with all the privileges this bestows.

For those of us who see this as a zero sum game, then only once conclusion can be drawn, that female rights are negotiable.

Individual GC women voters will have to judge whether they can reconcile this with the greater good women would benefit from a Labour govt, or whether the dilution of rights and effectively female identity is a step too far.

Froodwithatowel · 07/10/2023 23:41

RedToothBrush · 07/10/2023 23:23

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12605937/Labour-gender-woke-Rishi-Sunak-woman.html
Labour will make it easier for people to change their gender: Rift opens between the two main parties on 'woke' policies after Rishi Sunak declares a 'woman is a woman
'Party to vote on proposal to 'modernise, simplify and reform' transition process

Well there we go. Essentially you get two vote options.

One where you get to have rights, equality, sex based services, spaces, and freedom to get undressed or meet in a group without enforced male supervision and use of you for whatever agenda the male happens to feel like at the time that meets his need

and one where you don't, but the men get their freedom to use and have control over you more firmly fixed in law.

What d'ya fancy, service humans?

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