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Seriously?!

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ChishiyaBat · 06/10/2023 23:17

What if women made a list of 100 ways to make the world a better place for us?
I'll start.

1- If you are a man do not enter women only spaces ever!

https://www.vice.com/en/article/mbdx7n/100-ways-be-trans-ally-tips

100 Ways to Make the World Better for Trans People

The UK doesn't have to be this way – and it can change with your help.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/mbdx7n/100-ways-be-trans-ally-tips

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/10/2023 23:37

#OperationLetThemSpeak in full glorious batshit flow 😂

DameMaud · 06/10/2023 23:39

"14. Do not enter queer or trans safe spaces without a queer person asking you to be there or without making sure that allies are welcome."
!!??😮

Circumferences · 06/10/2023 23:40
  1. If you're a penis haver, you can't be a mother, woman or lesbian...
Pixiedust1234 · 06/10/2023 23:45

With the government’s recent ban on trans patients accessing female- and male-only hospital wards

I repeat your title. They need to go back to school if they can't read or understand.

Edit. Sorry, I only got to 35. It was too footstampy for me.

SmugglersHaunt · 06/10/2023 23:46

I skipped ahead to the end - he/she/whatevs was clearly desperate to finish the ‘article’ having foolishly pitched to the editor ‘100 made up bits of nonsense’ without thinking it through

OuiRagamuffin · 06/10/2023 23:46

Oh wow, they must think we have spare hours in the day to be obsessing about their wants and needs.

Never argue with a trans person kinda sums up 3/4s of them

Jux · 07/10/2023 00:07

I wonder how far women would have got if one of our demands was "never argue with a woman".

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ChishiyaBat · 07/10/2023 00:07

Never argue with them and do exactly as they say!
Number 92 makes me so angry(although they all make me angry and or nauseous)what so you are allowed to have your own groups, but us women have to share all ours?

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MercianQueen · 07/10/2023 00:11

If we just replaced every instance of the word "trans" in that article with the word "women", how do we think that would be accepted?

PurpleBugz · 07/10/2023 00:14

it says:

"5. Trans women are women. This is not up for debate – so don’t try to.

  1. Trans men exist! We are often overlooked or forgotten, so try to remind yourself that we are out here and can find the male cis world hard to navigate"
So.... a natal woman wrote this.... and TWAW no debate but TM "exist" so "try" to remind yourself they exist.

Biological men absolutely must be respected and not debated. Biological women just need you to try remember them.

It's just fucking ridiculous someone could write this and not see that staggering difference. I didn't read past that I don't have the time

LonelyFlans · 07/10/2023 00:22

What a bag of shite

Swizzel · 07/10/2023 01:14

Bugger me backwards with a bargepole - that list is so full of entitled bullshit statements and demands. My personal favourites are:

14. Do not enter queer or trans safe spaces without a queer person asking you to be there or without making sure that allies are welcome.

Translation: Queer and trans safe spaces are allowed, because we said so, but women-only (the biological kind) safe spaces aren't allowed because validation of men is way more important than women's safety or feelings.

40. Do not tell us we “are playing the victim,” WE ARE THE FUCKING VICTIM.

Doesn't matter if you persecute women, deride us, threaten us with violence: women are never the victims, are we?

44. If trans folk do have to explain something to you that may be uncomfortable, triggering, or upsetting for us, buy us a bunch of flowers, take us for dinner, drop something into our PayPal. No labor should be free.

I have no words...

92. Trans-only groups are there for a reason. These are also not your spaces.

Women-only groups (once again, for clarification, biological women) are there for a reason. They are not spaces for men. I've never heard any examples of women demanding access to trans-only groups, but I have heard numerous examples of men demanding access to women-only groups.

I'm surprised that there isn't a Number 101 on that list: Women, know your limits! If you're unsure, just ask a man, but make sure you put your hand up and wait to be asked before speaking.

Justme56 · 07/10/2023 01:40

I do sometimes wonder why these women want to identify as men. They seem scared of men but at the same time want to be one - it makes no sense to me. The list is something else. It’s all so very needy but at the same time utterly controlling.

SapphireSeptember · 07/10/2023 08:13

No 70 sent me. Of course no one knew the difference between men and women before the white people showed up. Posting this article. There was also a brilliant thread on twitter a few years ago talking about the history of South America and their artifacts.

culturallyboundgender.wordpress.com/2013/03/09/toward-an-end-to-appropriation-of-indigenous-two-spirit-people-in-trans-politics-the-relationship-between-third-gender-roles-and-patriarchy/?fbclid=IwAR0W77WzvNhxQuxYYh1-kECudjoaxSmP7rnQR-zT21wZCm8DzXDKzQjuucA

lemonraincoat · 07/10/2023 08:20

what a lot of guff

Helleofabore · 07/10/2023 08:22

Swizzel · 07/10/2023 01:14

Bugger me backwards with a bargepole - that list is so full of entitled bullshit statements and demands. My personal favourites are:

14. Do not enter queer or trans safe spaces without a queer person asking you to be there or without making sure that allies are welcome.

Translation: Queer and trans safe spaces are allowed, because we said so, but women-only (the biological kind) safe spaces aren't allowed because validation of men is way more important than women's safety or feelings.

40. Do not tell us we “are playing the victim,” WE ARE THE FUCKING VICTIM.

Doesn't matter if you persecute women, deride us, threaten us with violence: women are never the victims, are we?

44. If trans folk do have to explain something to you that may be uncomfortable, triggering, or upsetting for us, buy us a bunch of flowers, take us for dinner, drop something into our PayPal. No labor should be free.

I have no words...

92. Trans-only groups are there for a reason. These are also not your spaces.

Women-only groups (once again, for clarification, biological women) are there for a reason. They are not spaces for men. I've never heard any examples of women demanding access to trans-only groups, but I have heard numerous examples of men demanding access to women-only groups.

I'm surprised that there isn't a Number 101 on that list: Women, know your limits! If you're unsure, just ask a man, but make sure you put your hand up and wait to be asked before speaking.

They cannot see it, can they? The extreme hypocrisy .

EasternStandard · 07/10/2023 08:24

1- If you are a man do not enter women only spaces ever!

Worth repeating

2 Stop indoctrinating children

namitynamechange · 07/10/2023 08:34
  1. Do not tell us we “are playing the victim,” WE ARE THE FUCKING VICTIM.

No comment

WaterThyme · 07/10/2023 08:35

I agreed with part of

  1. Learn the correct terminology. Instead of saying “when you were a girl/a boy” say “your assigned gender at birth.”

While my sex was recorded at birth gender was assigned to me and I’ve been fighting against it ever since.

The rest of the article is self-centred sanctimonious tosh.

nauticant · 07/10/2023 08:39

It's from 2018. A lot has changed in 5 years and it now looks not only bonkers but like something you'd get from an off-the-charts abusive and controlling partner. For some reason Vice have rolled it out again.

In fact, it's pretty much a 5 year anniversary thing. Maybe to show how incredibly oppressive it's got for trans people since the Golden Age of 2018 when any person challenging this rubbish could be totally cancelled with the support of all right-thinking people.

unwashedanddazed · 07/10/2023 08:58

Here are 100 ways to inconvenience yourself for our comfort.

No. 19 Remind us that being trans isn't a burden...

lordloveadog · 07/10/2023 09:03

Can anyone read this without seeing at least a degree of... psychological maladjustment... in the writer?

WearyLady · 07/10/2023 09:25

I think the author should have listened more to her grandmother's advice (at number 98): Baby, some things just be as they be.” Biological sex is one of those things.

Villagetoraiseachild · 07/10/2023 10:42

I was going to whizz through this thread in the spirit of I am not going to indulge this Nonsense, then the superlative phrase Bugger me backwards with a bargepole caught my eye and I was hooked right in...