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Sex Matters to intervene in For Women Scotland case (4th October 2023)

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IwantToRetire · 03/10/2023 18:08

Sex Matters has been given permission, as a human-rights organisation, to intervene in the For Women Scotland case being heard by the Court of Session Inner House in Edinburgh on Wednesday 4th October.

Our submission will urge the court to consider whether Lady Haldane’s interpretation of the meaning of sex in the Equality Act is consistent with the European Convention on Human Rights.

The case concerns whether it is lawful for the Scottish Government to tell public bodies to include men who have transitioned by obtaining a gender-recognition certificate (GRC) when considering whether the legal quota for female board members has been met as part of the Gender Representation on Public Boards (Scotland) Act 2018. In December 2022, Lady Haldane ruled that the Scottish Government’s approach was lawful, saying that the definition of woman in the Equality 2010 Act includes biologically male people in possession of a GRC, recognising their “acquired gender” as female.

Sex Matter’s intervention supports For Women Scotland’s appeal against this judgment. It argues that it is wrong in law because it did not consider the impact on fundamental human rights protected by the European Convention on Rights, as legally required by the Human Rights Act (1998).

Our legal argument is that changing the definition of “man” and “woman” in the Equality Act to include members of the opposite sex undermines protections under the European Convention, including Article 3 which covers inhuman or degrading treatment. The European Court of Human Rights has already ruled that being searched or intimately examined by a member of the opposite sex can fall foul of this provision. Blurring sex categories also infringes on Articles 9, 10, and 11: freedom of belief, freedom of speech and freedom of association.

Our legal submission is supported by our research on single-sex services, which has been made available to the court: this found that many previously women-only groups and services are coming under pressure to include men who identify as women.

We are also continuing to call on the government to resolve the issue through legislation rather than leaving it to courts, which may not consider the impact on wider human rights.

Sex Matters is represented by David Welsh of Axiom Advocates and Rosie Walker, Head of Litigation & Dispute Resolution, Gilson Gray LLP. We will publish our intervention on Wednesday 4th October.

More at https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/sex-matters-to-intervene-in-for-women-scotland-case/

Sex Matters to intervene in For Women Scotland case - Sex Matters

Sex Matters has been given permission, as a human-rights organisation, to intervene in the For Women Scotland case being heard by the Court of Session Inner House in Edinburgh on Wednesday 4th October. Our submission will urge the court to consider whe...

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/sex-matters-to-intervene-in-for-women-scotland-case

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ArabellaScott · 03/10/2023 19:02

I should bloody well think so, too.

IwantToRetire · 03/10/2023 19:24

I was surprised they have allowed this so late, ie within hours of the case starting.

But not sure when Sex Matters submitted their application, and just assume the judicial authorities have been processing it very, very slowly.

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FemaleAndLearning · 03/10/2023 21:00

Thanks for sharing. I'm at home tomorrow so hoping I can catch some of this.

Boiledbeetle · 03/10/2023 23:21

they have all been hard at work doing last minute prep tonight!

Sex Matters to intervene in For Women Scotland case (4th October 2023)
Rainbowshit · 04/10/2023 01:14

Brilliant news!

IwantToRetire · 04/10/2023 01:18

Scottish Government questioned over 'transparency' as second gender court case looms

The Nat government has decided not to publish a preview of their court arguments as a key women's rights appeal fast approaches

The Scottish Government, which faces a court appeal this week, has faced transparency questions after it confirmed it would not be publishing written arguments, unlike their Section 35 case several weeks ago.

Complete article here https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/scottish-government-questioned-over-transparency-31095027

Its quite late now and I am too tired to really understand the implications of this, but it seems a bit underhand not "playing the game".

Government questioned over 'transparency' as second gender court case looms

The Nat government has decided not to publish a preview of their court arguments as a key women's rights appeal fast approaches

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/scottish-government-questioned-over-transparency-31095027

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Boiledbeetle · 04/10/2023 08:22

https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets/status/1709307581200466214?s=19

Tribunal tweets doing Jo Phoenix

Tribunal tweets 2 are doing FWS

Sex Matters to intervene in For Women Scotland case (4th October 2023)
Boiledbeetle · 04/10/2023 09:28

A tweet from way back to when it all started (plus the first use of women won't wheesht)

https://x.com/ForWomenScot/status/1289156109354360832?s=20

https://x.com/Dis_Critic/status/1289169850334617600?s=20

and the pre action letter from 2020

Re: Gender Representation on Public Boards Act 2018
A letter has been sent to the government by lawyers acting on behalf of For Women Scotland expressing significant concerns that a law intended to address historical under-representation of women on public boards is fundamentally flawed and that the Scottish Government has exceeded its authority in redefining “woman”. This follows the publication of Statutory Guidance on 29 May 2020.For Women Scotland is a national women’s rights group funded entirely by supporters.
https://forwomen.scot/31/07/2020/news-release-pre-action-letter/

Sex Matters to intervene in For Women Scotland case (4th October 2023)
ArabellaScott · 04/10/2023 10:15

https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets2

Thank you, as ever, Tribunal Tweets!

https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets2

ArabellaScott · 04/10/2023 11:42

Sound quality is awful and I've no idea what's going on.

ArabellaScott · 04/10/2023 11:43

'EHRC now want no further part in these proceedings'

FFS

ArabellaScott · 04/10/2023 11:46

Okay, it's AN Aidan O'Neill KC, representing FWS, talking now.

ArabellaScott · 04/10/2023 11:47

Talking very, very fast.

littlbrowndog · 04/10/2023 11:56

Thanks arabella

littlbrowndog · 04/10/2023 11:57

I war to watch says adjourned

littlbrowndog · 04/10/2023 11:57

Went 🤦‍♀️

ArabellaScott · 04/10/2023 11:58

Yes, they're having a break! I missed most of the morning, but hoping that Tribunal Tweets will do a thread unroll thing soon.

ArabellaScott · 04/10/2023 12:01

As if by magic:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1709498061846704313.html

littlbrowndog · 04/10/2023 12:04

That is complex. Hard to understand on a brief read but will try

ArabellaScott · 04/10/2023 12:05

'From the start the stat guidance is incorrect in matter of admission'

Background from AMcN;

'definition of what a woman was included person with PC of GR. Slightly complex provision and in reality means that women, the protected class under these measure included some women with PC being female but excluded women who had PC of GR and living as a man whatever that means
AN: and we're proposing to undergo and had undergone process of becoming male. Those women were excluded but at same time some men were included, men with PC of GR and living as a woman and undergoing process
AN: that was confusing women defined by sex and those defined by PC of GR. So result was this court held that redefinition was beyond competence of SCottish parliament and was struck down. Meanwhile original guidance was also struck down when said woman includes person with GR PC'

This is all very confusing.

littlbrowndog · 04/10/2023 12:07

Yep

OvaHere · 04/10/2023 12:08

ArabellaScott · 04/10/2023 11:43

'EHRC now want no further part in these proceedings'

FFS

What's this about?

littlbrowndog · 04/10/2023 12:09

How can they just do that last moment