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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Eve: How the Female Body Drove 200 Million Years of Evolution - did women lead the development of language, tools and walking on two legs

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IwantToRetire · 01/10/2023 23:55

Bohannon describes pregnancy as “a dance between what the mother’s body needs and what her hungry offspring need, with each accommodation skirting just on the edge of killing one or both of them”.

At each stage, Bohannon makes clear just how unlikely human survival has been, with our narrow pelvises, huge heads, needy babies and hungry brains. And so, she argues, the innovations that have allowed our species to survive and flourish were not the spear, the wheel or the internet, but midwifery and gynaecology, wet nursing and prenatal care. Without our super-social cooperation, we’d have disappeared back in prehistoric Africa, leaving barely a fossil.

The book sets out to turn our male-centric understanding of the human body, and history, on its head. Bohannon creates female characters out of our earliest common ancestors, and rewrites the opening scene of Stanley Kubrick’s 2001: A Space Odyssey, to argue that perhaps it was women who led the development of language, tools and walking on two legs.

Moving between evolutionary biology, physiology, paleoanthropology and genetics, from the Jurassic period to the most cutting-edge scientific research, this page-turning history of the human mammal describes seven main characters: our ancestral “Eves”, as Bohannon calls them. In the beginning, there was “Morgie” (Morganucodon), an egg-laying cross between a weasel and a mouse that was probably the first creature to lactate. More than 200m years later, Morgie’s breastfeeding descendants are so sophisticated that a mother’s body can change the composition of its milk in response to hormonal messages in the baby’s saliva.

Sorry for quoting the Guardian! https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/sep/30/how-women-drove-evolution-cat-bohannon-on-her-radical-new-history-of-humanity

How did this book get past the trans censors? A book idnetifying how female biology is unique to .... women, ie biological females.

How women drove evolution: Cat Bohannon on her radical new history of humanity

The American academic and author is revolutionising our understanding of the human body with her female-centric history of the species. She discusses the myth-busting book that took 10 years to write

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/sep/30/how-women-drove-evolution-cat-bohannon-on-her-radical-new-history-of-humanity

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Hermittrismegistus · 02/10/2023 03:21

Isn't this basically just what Elaine Morgan proposed in The decent of woman?

Pudmyboy · 02/10/2023 08:14

I don't know Elaine Morgan and am sorry about that (will look her up) but am glad if there are more female voices saying the same or similar things: it must all contribute to shining a light on this, no?

RoyalCorgi · 02/10/2023 08:16

Pudmyboy · 02/10/2023 08:14

I don't know Elaine Morgan and am sorry about that (will look her up) but am glad if there are more female voices saying the same or similar things: it must all contribute to shining a light on this, no?

Elaine Morgan was a really remarkable woman, a tv producer who didn't know science but educated herself enough to write a bestselling book putting forward the aquatic ape theory of evolution.

Pudmyboy · 02/10/2023 08:18

From Amazon on Elaine Morgan
The Descent of Woman' is a pioneering work, the first to argue for the equal role of women in human evolution. On its first publication in 1972 it created an international debate and became a rallying-point for feminism, changing the terminology of anthropologists forever.
So was saying this in 1972, still needing to be said in 2023, bloody hell!

Pudmyboy · 02/10/2023 08:22

Cat Bohannon's book may go further back/be broader in remit than Elaine Morgan's, still great to have both authors work available and should be required reading in schools to my mind (I can hope!)

IwantToRetire · 02/10/2023 16:56

Yes, not sure that it relevant whether someone else has already said it, unless to point out that one woman did try to challenge the norm of men as the agents of advancement.

I dont know enough about evolution to comment of the "findings" in the book, but was as much intrigued that it could have got published in this day and age, when even referencing sex, and that there are two, and they are not the same can get you cancelled.

Wasn't there a recent thread on here about an anthropolgy(?) conference that had dictated that sex / gender was not to be referred to or something?!

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merryhouse · 02/10/2023 17:38

Elaine Morgan also wrote The Descent of the Child, which specifically looks at the changes around pregnancy and birth. I recommend it.

(She wrote "Falling Apart" in the 70s, a look at cities, which I actually can't remember much about but was impressed by. Almost certainly out of print now: my copy was from an academic library sale.)

It does sound as if Cat Bohannon goes slightly further back Grin

Hermittrismegistus · 02/10/2023 21:29

My comment wasn't meant in a dismissive way, I was genuinely wondering if the overall message was anything different to Morgan's. Was more a thought I'd typed out than a question to anyone.

IwantToRetire · 02/10/2023 23:43

I was genuinely wondering if the overall message was anything different to Morgan's.

Probably not in that they are both challenging the accepted narrative about men being the innovators who helped "advance" the societies we are now part of. ie women as second class citizens, whilst men endlessly confront one another.

Maybe all their big talk and acts of violence were to cover up that really they were only ever secondary!

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NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 03/10/2023 00:16

I'm just here to reiterate the message that Elaine Morgan's book was brilliant; every woman should read it.

IwantToRetire · 03/10/2023 17:16

I must admit from other threads I thought more on FWR would want to discuss / comment on having a female body. Sad

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Sunnava · 03/10/2023 21:46

Elaine Morgan’s work doesn’t really stand up to biological scrutiny (read Sarah Blaffer Hrdy instead), but I admire her for putting forth a novel theory in a toxic male-dominated environment.

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