ONS press release distinguishes LGB from T

[WinterDeWinter]

It's in the DM today, released by ONS on 23rd.

I'm pleasantly surprised to see anything at all which distinguishes between sexual orientation and gender id - seems like a radical act doesn't it.

I wonder if they've had to resist pressure to roll it all into 'queer'.

[ArabellaScott]

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/sexuality/bulletins/sexualidentityuk/2021and2022

[SamphiretheTervosaurReturneth]

Thanks. I came here looking for this, I knew someone would have started a thread on it 😁

[ArabellaScott]

'Distribution by sex

In 2022, women were less likely than men to identify as lesbian, gay or bisexual (LGB), with an estimated proportion of 3.0%, or 817,000 (Figure 2). The proportion of men identifying as LGB was estimated to be 3.8%, or 986,000.
Men (2.7%) were more than twice as likely to identify as gay or lesbian than women (1.1%), whereas women (1.9%) were more likely to identify as bisexual than men (1.1%). This continues a trend seen since 2014.'

[ArabellaScott]

'Sexual orientation categorised as “other”

The “other” category captures people who do not consider themselves to fit into the heterosexual or straight, bisexual, gay, or lesbian categories. It might also include people who responded “other” for different reasons such as those who did not understand the terminology or who are against categorisation.'

[MagpiePi]

But the headline still says ‘women…identifying as LGBT’ which in my pedantic head means some women must be identifying as gay men.

Even in the article it says ‘women identify as LGB’ and the pie charts show women identifying as Gay or Lesbian.

So are trans men identifying as gay men, or are some of them identifying as trans and gay, but are some just identifying as trans?
That’s the trouble with forced teaming, it just confuses me things.

[ArabellaScott]

That's the DM headline? There's absolutely no reference at all to 'gender diverse' identities in the ONS report.

[JellySaurus]

Men (2.7%) were more than twice as likely to identify as gay or lesbian than women (1.1%)

Excuse me, what? Men identify as gay or lesbian? Are they talking about transwmen or are they talking about transmen? Or is this just some sort of nonsensical word salad?

[Ingenieur]

Yes, it would be interesting to know if they are using "gay or lesbian" to mean "exclusively homosexual", or if they do indeed mean to include trans identities.

[Froodwithatowel]

@MagpiePi

But the headline still says ‘women…identifying as LGBT’ which in my pedantic head means some women must be identifying as gay men.

Even in the article it says ‘women identify as LGB’ and the pie charts show women identifying as Gay or Lesbian.

So are trans men identifying as gay men, or are some of them identifying as trans and gay, but are some just identifying as trans?
That’s the trouble with forced teaming, it just confuses me things.

This. It's meaningless. The data will include straight men identifying as lesbians and straight women identifying as gay, of course it's all jumped.

[ArabellaScott]

I suppose the trouble is that when you undermine language to such an extent that nobody is sure what the words are being used to mean anymore then we end up in the position that any data like this is worthless.

[ArabellaScott]

If 'men' can mean a man or a woman, and vice versa, then the LGB terms are meaningless.

[IdleAnimations]

Thanks to the work of Stonewall, the stats around LGBT are completely meaningless. If a straight couple can identify as gay because one of them likes to dress in what they perceive as the opposite gender or change their pronouns - it negates the discrimination Lesbian and Gay people have suffered and still do in parts of the world.

[Froodwithatowel]

Yes. It tells you nothing whatsoever about people who are homosexual.