UK political parties

[YesshesaidyesiwillYes]

Wondering if anybody is able to explain to me what’s going on inside UK political parties with regard to sex and gender? What are their views? Do they listen to gender-critical voices? It seems to me that the parties are horribly out of step with the recent British attitudes survey.

Come the election, I can foresee a situation where we must either sacrifice our socialist principles or our feminist principles. But every time anyone raises an objection to women being penalised for men who want to be women, they are told to sit down and shut up. And be kind. But it’s actually a majority view isn’t it? Women don’t want to pay the penalty for men.

Why is politics so out of step? And what’s the position within the parties?

[MadderthanMorris]

I've managed to acquire a pretty clear understanding of this from various threads on the subject on Mumsnet. It breaks down like this:

The Lib Dems, Greens and SNP are totally captured. Avoid.

Labour have some woke MPs and some not so woke ones. Internally they're in a state of flux. Keir Starmer has fudged the issue and some promising noises have been made, but they're obviously just trying to get votes and we don't trust them. So avoid.

The Tories, being in power, have overseen every aspect of government policy over the last 13 years - including sex and gender policy in schools and all areas of the public service. They created the Gender Recognition Act and everything else that has gotten us to where we are. They have also, of course, made women poorer through the simple expedient of making EVERYONE except the rich poorer.

However, a few Tory MPs have started saying that women can't have penises, in the same way that asylum seekers can't have human rights. In this they are obviously telling the truth with no trace of cynical self-interest whatsoever, like they tell the truth about everything.

So obviously vote Tory.

[JanesLittleGirl]

Close apart from the GRA was a Labour act passed in 2004.

[SecretShambles]

Starmer must have the tweezers out every day, he has so many splinters in his arse from sitting on the fence

[BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn]

This thread might be useful - individual MPs rather than overall party line: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4904355-mps-who-believe-women-have-a-penis-will-be-named-and-shamed-ahead-of-general-election

[BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn]

As far as party policies go, the Communist Party of Great Britain, one of the new parties (can't remember which one though), and I think maybe the SDP (classic version, not the merged with Liberals one) are explicitly pro-women.

[WanderingWitches]

Is KJK still starting a political party? I remember reading about it a while back

[YesshesaidyesiwillYes]

Thanks for the replies.

I should also have added the nightmare of First Past The Post. Where people may as well stay home because there’s no palatable candidate with a hope in hell’s chance. That’s the worst outcome of all, a massive democratic deficit.

[BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn]

The new one I was thinking of is the True and Fair party - and I'd misremembered. They aren't explicitly pro, but give no signs of being actively against - only a skeleton manifesto so far, and women mentioned only in the context of preventing VAWG.

The SDP is much clearer: https://sdp.org.uk/policies/transgender-and-biological-sex-based-rights/

[NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision]

OP, it's going to have to come down to individual candidates.

On this issue, I can name both Labour and Conservative MPs who I believe would happily lock a woman in the same cell as Isla Bryson. I can also name MPs from each party who understand it would be utterly sadistic.

I don't know where you live, and you shouldn't tell me. Check out your candidates and see if they have expressed any views already. If not, you will have to ask.