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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans activists aligning with obvious wrong un's - is there ever self reflection or challenge to this ?

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Goldflap · 25/09/2023 10:12

I have just been reading and looking at pictures of protesters at a feminist conference in America and I am always quite shocked by the demographic that are obviously people that most rationally minded people would consider to be wrong uns for want if a better word.

Overwhelmingly men - the sort that would fit my image of an incel or a far right loner type.
I can understand the gender/ trans debate is just another issue these people can latch onto and obsess over and an outlet for their hatred, but what I'd really like to know is are there any people who consider themselves as activists that have noticed this and feel uncomfortable/ call it out or leave their activism because of it.

I just find it bizarre that largely middle class, educated people such as creatives, columnists , students etc can't see this and don't question it.
Like if they actually met a person like this in real life and had to work with them or something I can't believe they would feel comfortable and get along.

Is it just part of the black and white good v bad ideology that if they state they are on their side it's ok to threaten rape, be a convicted sex offender, make violent threats you can still be part of the good gang.
Would they let such people babysit their kids or invite them into to their Victorian semi for cold brew because I think that's highly unlikely.

Maybe they are too far down the rabbit hole but I'd love to know if anyone has challenged it and changed their position because of it.

Would for example Owen Jones go for a beer with this guy or consider himself on the same team

  • I am not on Twitter so I genuinely don't know if it gets called out by both sides.
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PaterPower · 25/09/2023 10:39

That thought’s struck me before too.

I look at the pictures and video from the various events where the misogynists-rights lot rock up, and I’ve NEVER thought “oh look, THEY seem to be the sort of people I’d want to associate with” - even if I saw them in a different context.

I’m sure some of them love their Mother, are kind to strangers and all that, but a disproportionate number of the men look and behave like characters from a particularly cruel Little Britain sketch. One where the ‘rapey’ vibe has been notched up long past the point of bad taste.

PorcelinaV · 25/09/2023 10:55

If you asked Owen Jones, I'm sure he would say he condemns threats and violence. If I remember, he did a recent TV appearance where he did condemn the Sarah Jane Baker violent rhetoric.

I'm not sure how much I believe him however. I haven't noticed him writing articles condemning the violent tactics of antifa, which given that he identifies as an "anti fascist" he should maybe have some responsibility to be calling out the violent ideology that exists in that area.

So I'm not sure if he sincerely is against violence, or if maybe he supports a "diversity of tactics".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity_of_tactics

Diversity of tactics - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity_of_tactics

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