Upskirting teacher avoids prison due to voyeur disorder

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A Sydney teacher who was jailed for secretly filming up the skirts of students at his north shore school has had his sentence overturned on appeal, after a judge agreed his mental health conditions including a voyeuristic disorder could be better treated in the community.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/upskirting-teacher-avoids-prison-due-to-voyeur-disorder-20230921-p5e6m1.html

Presumably we will be seeing this "defence" being used here in the UK.

Not even expecting comments, but just wanted to register this example of male privilege.

It's a man's world.

Oh that article is infuriating, it minimises the crimes by referring to "people" and "young women" who were the victims. They were children. At the school this man taught at. It's such a breach of trust.

Here's an idea. Why not let him serve his 6 months sentence and then impose the treatment order? No doubt it's not possible according to the sentencing rules, but that's also part of the problem.

They can fuck RIGHT OFF with that.

As far as I can work out, the criteria for the disorder could be little more than just you get very excited by it, and act on it towards a non consenting person.

Not sure that amounts to reducing your responsibility for crime.

This is also 'paeophiliac disorder', yes?

How utterly fucking insulting to people with autism, too.

'voyeurism disorder could be treated in the community' - fucking HOW?

Paraphilias can all be classed as 'disorders' given certain criteria (generally if they're compulsive and have an adverse effect on the man's life, iirc*)

https://www.msdmanuals.com/en-gb/home/mental-health-disorders/paraphilias-and-paraphilic-disorders/voyeuristic-disorder

If his voyeuristic disorder does reduce his capacity, then the answer to the danger to the public he poses is compulsory detention in a secure mental health unit.

I don't suppose he would fancy that much.

What cobblers. Yes, we know an upskirter is most likely a voyeur. It's hardly brand-new, exonerating information.

If someone cannot help abusing girls, the best place for them is away from girls. Whether that's in prison or a secure MH facility, I don't much care. In the community isn't it.

Those poor girls.

Chances of treatment 'curing' him a big fat zero.

Voyeurism is a paraphilia, which is listed in the DSM 5 next to many other known paraphilias, so they do indeed apparently and officially have a genuine mental health problem, rather than just a penis problem.

Many countries have chosen to take the path of rehabilitating them (paraphiliacs) "in the community" (aka leaving them to continue to be a risk to women and girls) rather than send them to prison as a sex criminal, because it's seen to be more politically correct.

Another problem is, is that there are simply too many male sex criminals to fit in prison.

When someone has a paraphilia that impacts other people then reducing the impact of that should be the aim.

He needs to be locked up.

How many people ‘suffering’ from voyeurism disorder are women? I wonder?

FFS.

How can these apparently intelligent and educated judges, or anyone, adhere to this crap?

• 'Treatment of Voyeuristic Disorder
• Psychotherapy and support groups
• Certain antidepressants
• Sometimes other medications

Treatment usually begins when voyeurs are arrested. It includes psychotherapy, support groups, and antidepressants called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs). If these medications are ineffective and the disorder is severe, medications that reduce testosterone levels and thus reduce the sex drive may be used. These medications include leuprolide and medroxyprogesterone acetate. People must give their informed consent to the use of these medications, and doctors periodically do blood tests to monitor the medication’s effects on liver function, as well as other tests (including bone density tests and blood tests to measure testosterone levels).'

I wonder how effective treatment is.

A friend of a friend was unfortunately married to someone similar to Mr Wong, although he photographed random women and work colleagues in Japan, not students or minors.

The first time he was caught he settled out of court with the woman who reported him.
The second time he was caught at work and sacked and that was the end of the marriage.

I haven't heard if there was any legal outcome, but apparently this addiction/crime is common in Japan and there are solicitors who specialise in it.

Just to add after the first incident he agreed to seeing a therapist and taking medication, although he chose not to continue and then reoffended.

On Thursday, his barrister Peter Givorshner told Downing Centre District Court that the sentencing magistrate should have taken Wong’s autism spectrum disorder and voyeurism disorder into account, both of which affected his moral culpability.

Givorshner said the magistrate made an error and was possibly overcome with disgust and revulsion when saying that Wong must have known his conduct was “completely inappropriate”. He said people with autism were “wired differently”.

The barrister said voyeurism disorder could be treated in the community, while autism could not be treated. He said his client had already experienced “intense media coverage”, public shaming, a loss of his career and future prospects, and 29 days in custody.

and his barrister using his autism to excuse his behaviour is appalling. If his autism caused him not to be able to differentiate right from fucking perverted then he would never have managed to get as far as he did and be in the job he was in.

And this is all a total fuck you from the judge to the children that were photographed and filmed by him!

I'm feeling rather incandescent with rage!

Upskirting is a very common sexual crime here in Singapore and thankfully, because we have had archaic "outrage of modesty" laws here that have always been taken seriously, there was never any dilemma over how these offences should be dealt with. Given the perp's position as a teacher, the fact the victims were minor, there is no way this crime would be minimised in my country. Luckily the feminists here have never sought to dismantle the outrage of modesty laws, though some may have winced at the word modesty.

I just checked and realise that voyeurism was so pervasive that a new law to deal with it - and include male victims - was introduced in Jan 2020. The existing outrage of modesty law only covered women. This is to just add some perspective on how other countries deal with similar sexual crimes.
https://singaporelegaladvice.com/law-articles/crime-voyeurism-singapore-penalties-defences/

Once upon a time chaps like this used to meet people with fist control disorder. You couldn’t blame them, it was a recognised syndrome.

Another problem is, is that there are simply too many male sex criminals to fit in prison.

Absolutely. And apart from upskirting, if you think of the number rapes reported that never get to court because the CPS doesn't like less than 90% certainty of a conviction, and all the sexual violence that happens in domestic settings, there would probably never be enough prisons.

This probably the one group of men who would deserve to be "housed" on the Bibby Stockholm.

Funny isn’t it: teenage girls with autism can decide to take drugs with dreadful long-term effects & have mastectomies; but adult men with autism can’t identify that committing sex crimes is wrong 🤨

Absolutely abhor people trying to use neurodivergence as a get-out clause for poor - & as we see here even criminal - behaviour. Most often it’s people who would be described as “high functioning” &/or who’s self-diagnosed; rather than someone unable to live independently.

I don't know, but I don't think there is any doubt that SSRIs do cause sexual dysfunction in many people. Not only physical issues, but reducing fantasy or the ability to enjoy fantasy.

ArabeIIaScott · Yesterday 22:07

'voyeurism disorder could be treated in the community' - fucking HOW?

By posting his picture, address and phone number in the community? Community members might want to have a calm word, helpfully explaining what's wrong with his behaviour and why he really, really ought to stop it?

Yes, being a filthy fucking pervert is a disorder. So what?

In this case there doesn't seem to be any requirement for a "compulsion".

Maybe they were arguing he had such an extreme case that his mind was unbalanced.

But the diagnosis itself could just mean he got turned on, and wasn't a moral person and so acted on it. And that's just normal sex offender stuff.