Article in The Irish Independent - Leading clinician warns of HSE gender care ‘dangers’.

[UtopiaPlanitia]

Professor O’Shea has been consistent and vocal in his views on how the HSE wants to change what he sees as sensible standard of care in Ireland. Now he’s raising awareness of HSE (and TENI) attempts to circumvent the Cass recommendations on NHS care for children with gender issues i.e. no more sending Irish children to the UK, instead HSE is recommending Irish children can travel to a Belgian clinic that practices affirmation only.

In Ireland our health service (and education sector) are doubling down on their approach to this issue when other countries are highlighting the dangers to children from affirmation + puberty blocking treatment.

Professor Donal O’Shea expects he may be ‘silenced and sanctioned’ for speaking out. https://archive.ph/ZKPXH

[Iamsplendid]

OMG. That just makes my jaw drop. Someone with a PhD in loss and grief is referring people for gender affirming care to a clinic in Belgium. That person's main qualification seems to be that they are themselves transgender?
Meanwhile, one of Irelands most expert clinicians in transgender healthcare expects to be silenced and sanctioned for speaking up about the way Ireland is going in a different direction to other European countries.
There is currently a scandal in Ireland about spinal surgery in children as far as I know, yet they seem happy to ignore warnings from senior clinicians and instead be led by activists. It doesn't make sense.

[VaddaABeetch]

Can anyone post the article?

Donal O’Shea is one of the few voices of reason in this in Ireland.

[MissLucyEyelesbarrow]

I also think it's naive for anyone to think his activism is PURELY motivated by concern for women - I think he is as motivated (if not more so) in wanting to be vindicated and to restore his tarnished reputation.

Sheesh, pretty harsh to criticise him for that, given all he has lost. Who the hell wouldn't want to be vindicated, in his circumstances?

[DeanElderberry]

A person whose PhD is in transgender women's experience of loss and grief. That's a very narrow topic.

[NitroNine]

Jaysus.

The HSE & NHS are both absolutely riddled with activists. They’re like a superbug. But wouldn’t make such a cute plushie.

[Iamsplendid]

@VaddaABeetch

Can anyone post the article?

Donal O’Shea is one of the few voices of reason in this in Ireland.

The archive link in the OP worked for me.

[AnSolas]

The HSE is a bit of a shambles when it comes to this.
Lost meeting notes, undocumented decisions taken by unknown people and not a squeek or push back from the people who should be asking questions. And the public purse will be expected to fund the States legal defence and any compensation.


Instructing staff to deal with an organisation which has been excluded on staff welfare grounds due to bullying and intimidation of employees. Well there is no issue there that HR should be working to avoid

No service legel agreements for quality control of a recomended service provider.
Or will the State claim that it has only paid for the service and not approved of the level of care? It did not work for the cervical errors so has little hope of sucess here either.

it would be better to build a team out from the existing adult service and go with the HSE (reasoning for closing services in local hospitals) centers of excellence than try to create a Clinical Lead / Director of places to go out of State for medical care

The HSE board and legal are not doing their jobs.

[ArabeIIaScott]

'​O’Shea and Moran said they are shocked that the new job specification does not require a candidate to have clinical experience in transgender healthcare like clinical lead requirements do in other specialities.
A candidate must only have a “special interest in transgender care” and experience of “working with transgender and/or gender-incongruent or dysphoric populations”.
O’Shea said he is well-qualified for the transgender clinical lead role, but believes the HSE wants someone else.
“They don’t want us involved because we wouldn’t do it the activist way,” he said.'

Madness.

I am SO grateful for clinicians and HCPs like O'Shea who speak up to protect children and young people. At the very likely risk of loss of their career. Heroes.

'“It’s more important to speak out when there is a culture in an organisation that is prepared to lie, intimidate, mislead and [use] funds to put vulnerable individuals at incredible risk,” he said.'

100%. Thank you.

[EllaMenopee]

Thank God for Donal O'Shea. He's a great man for telling people the truths they prefer not to hear. And it's great to see this in the SIndo, where "real" people will get to read about it.

[UtopiaPlanitia]

@VaddaABeetch

Can anyone post the article?

Donal O’Shea is one of the few voices of reason in this in Ireland.

Hi Vadda, hope this link works for you 👍

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/leading-clinician-warns-of-hse-gender-care-dangers/a1246391788.html

[RealityFan]

The herd got criticised when it was the working classes and "unwashed masses" who voted for Brexit.

But watching the most educated and highly promoted in society herding over TRA to literally wave on unproven teen medicalisation (this specialist amongst others, an exception) is a truly scary sight. The intelligence and other worldly hardened self belief makes this a stampede that's trampled everything in its way.

If the herd is going to veer off, lose direction, disperse and break up, it needs more and more highly qualified and at the coal face experienced specialists to tell the public of the absolute horrors.

This is how it'll happen.

[InpraiseofWomenhelpingWomen]

Mary Butler (Fianna Fáil) is Minister of state for Mental Health in Ireland. She has a child she considers to be trans and has discussed this in various media outlets and promoted the medicalisation model. She has also promoted GenderGP (one doctor struck off and one suspended). Shades of Craggy Island really!

The HSE is following the directions of the politicians we vote in. So what to do in the next election? Personally, I will be voting according to what each candidate states about women’s rights and transgender ideology. This may make for some uncomfortable choices.

[RealityFan]

Every candidate will claim they want to sort potholes, housing, the local hospital etc.

Not every candidate will be able to give a straight A to a straight Q on gender and women's rights.

Not every candidate will deserve my vote.

[irishfeminist]

Lacey is an unqualified grifter. I first encountered Lacey on the bill for NWCI-organised FemFest addressing girls and women aged 16-23 about feminist issues. What I want to say would get deleted.

[UtopiaPlanitia]

Professor O’Shea was interviewed by Ciara Kelly on Newstalk Breakfast and he was very forthright in his condemnation of what is happening with the HSE’s proposed restructuring of gender dysphoria treatment for Irish children.

The interview excerpt is titled: 'Doctor’s concerns at Ireland’s adult National Gender Service'. It’s listed fourth on the page under Latest Episodes.

https://www.goloudplayer.com/podcasts/newstalk-breakfast-highlights-44

[Cherrythomasina]

Thanks for those links. All very scary😕

[elgreco]

Heard brief but very important mention that the government should listen to such an expert. Both Ciara and Shane agreed. Small but very important steps.

[ArabeIIaScott]

Good to hear, elgreco.

[SealHouse]

I listened to Prof. O'Shea's interview with Ciara Kelly. He stated in the interview that he has spoken to political party leaders who admitted being afraid to speak out for fear of being cancelled. That is an extraordinary admission for any politician to make and it is shocking that it hasn't been picked up by other journalists.

[UtopiaPlanitia]

@SealHouse

I listened to Prof. O'Shea's interview with Ciara Kelly. He stated in the interview that he has spoken to political party leaders who admitted being afraid to speak out for fear of being cancelled. That is an extraordinary admission for any politician to make and it is shocking that it hasn't been picked up by other journalists.

Irish legacy media wants nothing but positive and supportive news on the subject of kids with gender confusion being affirmed.

So far, the only media that I’ve seen debating the issues surrounding gender identity ideology, over the last number of years, are a couple of journalists in the Irish Independent, Newstalk has had a few attempts at interviews, Liveline tried a few days of discussing the issue and received massive censure from RTÉ, Niall Boylan tries to discuss it and has had pretty robust phone-ins about it, Gript features it occasionally too and ex-RTÉ journalist Paddy O’Gorman has done a few podcasts about women in the prison system having to cope with males in the female prison estate.

The big mainstream journalists, newspapers and telly shows want nothing to do with the idea that there could be negative aspects to gender identity ideology. Politicians don’t want to discuss the issues, so the debate is largely suppressed here except for tenacious journalists who try to bring the topic to public consciousness.

[AnSolas]

@SealHouse

I listened to Prof. O'Shea's interview with Ciara Kelly. He stated in the interview that he has spoken to political party leaders who admitted being afraid to speak out for fear of being cancelled. That is an extraordinary admission for any politician to make and it is shocking that it hasn't been picked up by other journalists.

Why would any sitting politician want to admit that the law that was passed have allowed male violent sex offenders be housed into the womens prison system.
Each time the court sent a male with a GRC to the womens prison it was recorded in the Dail Record.

Or venture into the poisoned chalice of the HSE whos main purpose was to move responsibilty out of the dep of health
Its much easier (provision or settlements with NDA) and "cheaper" to allow the HSE fund EU provision than debate the importance of niche areas of healthcare than argue for better funding and filling a clinical role.

None of them have a hope of convincing the majority that letting boys and men into spaces allocated to girls and women. However the "progressive" state funded NGO's will spin it as anti and hateful etc and the other big corporate backers are US centered if not US HQed companies all pushing the agenda as a good thing.

There is a whole lot of Irish Women who have been brought up on the idea that they are the exact same as a man and that having babies is an "problem" (the mother and baby homes and lack of birth control etc left a mark).
So a politician standing up and stating that TWANW because of sex difference opens up a whole discussion around biology, babies and the seocieoeconomic benefits of women having babies. So thats not a vote winner either.

Newspapers will make more money having a go at the politician than the employees trying to steer through the personal career risk of being labled "far-right" or ( horror of horror) having christian values

[Genesis1v27]

Mick Clifford has a column on this subject in today's Irish Examiner. But will he investigate further, or just wring his hands?

Mick Clifford: Concerns over gender service are being ignored

[Genesis1v27]

Also, a direct link to the Newstalk Breakfast segment with Donal O'Shea last Monday:

https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/highlights-from-newstalk-breakfast/doctors-concerns-at-irelands-adult-national-gender-service

And a partial transcript:

https://www.newstalk.com/news/ideology-cannot-direct-clinical-care-concerns-over-national-gender-service-1509219

[UtopiaPlanitia]

Thanks for posting the direct link Genesis, I could not track it down when I was on the Newstalk site earlier this week 🤷‍♀️

[Signalbox]

Was this the same guy that featured in Hannah Barnes' book?