Liberal Democrat Motion

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"Conference notes that... menstruation is not just a women's issue, and also affects some trans and non-binary people."

This motion was passed by a big majority of Lib Dems.

Will anyone be voting for them at the next GE?

If so please justify.

The linguistic blurring of sex and gender got us in this mess. Clarification of the law and operation of the Equality Act will get us out of it. Roll on the FWS case…

Thank you for the link PorcelinaV.

Enlightening but very very scary.

Scary? Jenni Murray?

'Motion' is the posh word for a great pile of steaming turd.

I never like these bullshit motions that are put forward just labour a point but this really is embarrassing.

They are putting it forward just so they can root out unbelievers

This motion is because they are scared because Liberal Voice for Women has better arguments and they are proving it with a new pamphlet which explains why women exist and are at the heart of liberalism. There is a battle going on inside the Liberals and the TRA side will lose eventually, because they just have bigotry and misogyny to support them.

The fringe event Liberal Voice for Women held tonight at the conference was not listed in the programme, [the ghosts of Lloyd George and Asquith turned up to advise the leadership about silencing women demanding to speak], but the reality is pesky people who believe humans are biological are everywhere even in the Liberals:

This Sunday at 6pm - the fringe event #LDConf Committee don't want you to hear about!*

The pamphlet, which seeks to inform readers about why sex matters for women’s equality and how political transgenderism is impacting on their ability to hold on to their existing rights was written and edited collectively by Liberal Voice for Women members and published in the name of the group. We are thrilled that this project has finally become a reality.
To mark the launch we have organised a very special fringe event which will be chaired by none other than Dame Jenni Murray and introduced by our Honorary President Baroness Sarah Ludford. We also have a superb and fully international line-up of speakers: researcher, writer and campaigner Raquel Rosario Sánchez, social science lecturer Dr Laura Favaro, and independent film-maker and activist Vaishnavi Sundar.
https://liberalvoiceforwomen.telltix.com/events/liberalvoiceforwomen/1012750

Gender Crit Liberals are in the House of Lords, local parties, councils and they are growing. In the House Of Lords Liberals have been key players in getting gender crit voices heard alongside Labour, Conservatives etc.

Obviously voting for Lib Dems is a different question, but don't give up to despair and pretend that battles against sexism can't be won. All UK political parties have long histories of sexism - this is just the latest round.

https://liberalvoiceforwomen.org/

Until I read this I thought the daftest thing about the Lindem conference was Ed Davey twatting about in a canoe.

They really are disappearing into irrelevance. Clegg, Ashdown and Kennedy were national figures but few people would even recognize Davey or know anything about what he stood for.

Out of interest, has Vorderman ever expressed any thoughts, one way or the other, on the Dem’s planned erasure of rights for women?

She seems very keen on tactical voting, just to “get rid of the Tories” but I’ve not seen her go any deeper than that about what (ousting the Tories for Labour in such a way that they can’t even form an opposition) that might mean for women.

Has she actually thought this through? Is she just full on TWAW?

I wonder what would have happened if the Lib Dems hadn't (as I see it) sold out to the Tory Party when they agreed to a referendum on the voting system but not the PR system that the Lib Dems actually wanted.

If they had waited they maybe could have got a PR referendum next time.

So we got given a referendum on something that no one wanted, and it was an easy win for the Tories.

I suspect a PR referendum could have had a different result, and that would have boosted the power of the Lib Dems as well as making it possible for a party like UKIP to make a breakthrough.

Could have radically changed the landscape in ways that the left could be happy about (common coalitions between Labour and the Lib Dems, the possibility for an explicitly socialist party to get MPs), or indeed very unhappy about, (UKIP or even further right parties getting MPs).

Maybe would have changed things a little from the, "Labour gets a turn until we get too sick of them, Conservatives get a turn until we get too sick of them, and around it goes".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum

Given the utter lunacy of our PR system here in Scotland, I'm not sure that it would go their way, tbh.

I appreciate other PR systems are available, but up here we are stuck with politicians that virtually nobody voted for, holding positions of power in government. (I'm looking at you, Scottish Greens).

Never! They are sugarcoated communists.

So many variations on PR don’t work very well, particularly if you allow parties the opportunity to mess around with the underpinnings.

We’ve seen the hazards of ‘preferred’ candidate lists already on our existing system. They completely bypass local constituency offices.

A Party list model of PR would entrench that in our system and we’d be more likely to end up with MPs who feel beholden to ‘head office’ whilst removing the ability of voters to choose an individual to represent them.

First past the post is terrible until you look at the alternatives.

Yes. The worst of it is you can't 'vote them out'.