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Woman2023 · 21/09/2023 17:43

There were loads of pics on Twitter of marches.

IwantToRetire · 21/09/2023 17:47

Do you know if there was a common hash tag?

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DerekFaker · 21/09/2023 17:53

IwantToRetire · 21/09/2023 17:47

Do you know if there was a common hash tag?

#1MillionMarch4Kids and #1MillionMarchCA

The crowds were huge. There's hope for Canada yet.

IwantToRetire · 21/09/2023 17:58

So this is the Xtwitter account for the organising group https://twitter.com/1MillionMarch4C

And some other tweets that make it look more like a family rights event or maybe not? twitter.com/hashtag/1MillionMarch4Children?src=hashtag_click

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dimorphism · 21/09/2023 18:02

I did wonder after the massive fake boobs male teacher what would it take for parents to rise up...... good that they're beginning to.

Toseland · 21/09/2023 19:46

The thing is that news outlets are not running reports on the march despite the huge turnout.

Toseland · 21/09/2023 19:56

Plus Twitter has blocked access to those without an account since last night.
I really hope it has opened many peoples eyes - especially the Government.

BonfireLady · 21/09/2023 22:38

Yep. A very calm and balanced view as a parent.
As parents realise the compelled belief (and rite of passage to "choose your gender") that is being pushed on to children, I think we'll see more who feel just like this dad.

Codesilver · 22/09/2023 00:14

Yes it did happen yesterday, lots of cities participated. In my particular area, to be honest it was mostly ‘pro-convoyers’ as this is their latest obsession. It really wasn’t a march for children’s and women’s rights. More a combo of religious extremists. Different areas would have had a different response of course, but here the counter protest was larger. The organizer has made pretty homophobic comments in the past.

Apollo441 · 22/09/2023 00:14

Hasn't this been ignored by Canada's main stream media? The only mention of it was that a school had been 'vandalised' in a anti lbtq attack. Basically they had put up stickers saying 'there is no such thing as being born in the wrong body' and 'keep gender politics out of schools'.

I am amazed. I thought Canada was fully captured. Seems like you can't keep a lid on the truth forever.

Codesilver · 22/09/2023 00:18

Global news and CBC both covered it all day, and our 3 local news sites did as well. Part of the ‘convoy’ narrative (and I include them because there’s massive crossover), is that the mainstream media doesn’t cover them /their issues.

IwantToRetire · 22/09/2023 00:20

In my particular area, to be honest it was mostly ‘pro-convoyers’ as this is their latest obsession.

As was wondering as an outsider whether it was like what happens at GC events here in the UK. ie a few right wing nutters are seen in the vicinity and the papers then misreport that there was a rally by nazi supporters.

But did see from tweets etc., that many participating were coming from a conservative family values / religious perspective. (Or that's how the organising group came over.)

So this is one of those instances when people from disimilar basis, arrive at the same conclusion.

Here it being about safeguarding children.

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IwantToRetire · 22/09/2023 00:22

Part of the ‘convoy’ narrative

Probably not the right thread, although it might be relevant, never really understood the 'convoy' politics / aims and objectives.

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Codesilver · 22/09/2023 01:42

Definitely a strong religious /conservative contingent for sure. The great (one of them anyway) shame is that they lumped ‘sexual orientation’ in with ‘gender identity’, and I absolutely can’t get behind those who believe /shout to kids that being gay is a sin. It absolutely wasn’t about protecting women /women’s spaces/ prisons/sports etc.
The media today has continued to cover it. There wasn’t much trouble anywhere so that’s good.
SOGI isn’t a ‘curriculum’. No kids are learning how to have gay sex. The teachers aren’t doing gender reassignments in the classrooms. It’s like lots of other culture war issues at the moment.
re: the convoy - it was absolutely awful. The leaders were a delightful mix of homophobes, islamaphobes, ex - yellow vesters. People were angry about restrictions, fed up with covid and it turned nasty. It’s the same people protesting SOGI now (covid, vaccines- any, 5G, WEF, Bill Gates, George Soros, climate change deniers). I keep an eye on the local Facebook groups to see what flavour of the month is.

Codesilver · 22/09/2023 01:44

And they all hate Trudeau 😂. not the biggest fan myself, but no other choice right now.

Signalbox · 22/09/2023 08:40

Codesilver · 22/09/2023 01:42

Definitely a strong religious /conservative contingent for sure. The great (one of them anyway) shame is that they lumped ‘sexual orientation’ in with ‘gender identity’, and I absolutely can’t get behind those who believe /shout to kids that being gay is a sin. It absolutely wasn’t about protecting women /women’s spaces/ prisons/sports etc.
The media today has continued to cover it. There wasn’t much trouble anywhere so that’s good.
SOGI isn’t a ‘curriculum’. No kids are learning how to have gay sex. The teachers aren’t doing gender reassignments in the classrooms. It’s like lots of other culture war issues at the moment.
re: the convoy - it was absolutely awful. The leaders were a delightful mix of homophobes, islamaphobes, ex - yellow vesters. People were angry about restrictions, fed up with covid and it turned nasty. It’s the same people protesting SOGI now (covid, vaccines- any, 5G, WEF, Bill Gates, George Soros, climate change deniers). I keep an eye on the local Facebook groups to see what flavour of the month is.

There’s an argument (made by Megan Murphy in linked article) that the Canadian press and the Canadian Government successfully smeared they convoy and their supporters as far right / white supremacist / fascists. Do you think there’s any truth in that? Seeing how the Canadian government / media operate in other matters (including the gender debate) I’m inclined to believe this narrative.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/canada-should-be-proud-of-the-truckers-convoy/

”Despite the fact that this is a working-class movement fighting for rights and freedoms, the left has almost universally condemned the Freedom Convoy, attempting to slander the protesters as ‘far right,’ ‘white nationalists,’ and ‘fascists.’ The media has attempted to paint the protesters as dangerousviolent extremists, despite the fact the truckers and their supporters have only been peaceful.”

Canada should be proud of the truckers’ convoy

The first wave of truckers in the Freedom Convoy arrived in Ottawa on Friday, having travelled across Canada to protest the vaccine mandates and to fight Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s tyrannical Covid restrictions. While the rest of the world has beg...

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/canada-should-be-proud-of-the-truckers-convoy/

Rudderneck · 22/09/2023 10:41

The convoy people were primarily centered around the ongoing restrictions that Canada had imposed around covid.

Something that isn't always clear to people in the UK is that Canada had some really significant, and also quite stupid, restrictions a lot longer than the UK did.

They also managed to be very authoritarian about making people get vaccinated. Not directly by making a law, but by encouraging workplaces to require it of employees. So, I worked in a library at the time, had I not shown proof of vaccination I'd have had to go on unpaid leave. But it also applied in some bizarre instances. I knew one man who mainly worked along in the woods, but in order to sell his wood chips to the power plant, he had to be vaccinated. And another gas station owner - he used to have ambulances from the hospital next door fill up at his station. He was told he could not keep that contract unless all of his employees were vaccinated, because the rule was all hospital workers, including those employed through contracts, had to be vaccinated.

Masking was also mandated in some provinces way past the time the UK had given it up.

The issue with the truckers was mainly about border crossings. Many of them are crossing the border to the US quite regularly. There were a lot of restrictions placed on border crossings until quite late in the game, including requiring people to be vaccinated, and to register ahead online with the date and time they were going to get to the border crossing. This was well past the point that anyone thought that it would actually be possible to stop covid from acting like other respiratory viruses and spreading, and it was also clear that the vaccination did not preclude spreading the virus. There were also still very significant hold ups at the border.

The idea that they were all Nazis is just untrue. They were regular working class people, who do tend to be somewhat socially conservative, but that's hardly the same thing.

Langsdestiny · 22/09/2023 10:47

Yes there was some real class issues going on there that were deeply unpleasant.

RebelliousCow · 22/09/2023 11:54

Codesilver · 22/09/2023 01:42

Definitely a strong religious /conservative contingent for sure. The great (one of them anyway) shame is that they lumped ‘sexual orientation’ in with ‘gender identity’, and I absolutely can’t get behind those who believe /shout to kids that being gay is a sin. It absolutely wasn’t about protecting women /women’s spaces/ prisons/sports etc.
The media today has continued to cover it. There wasn’t much trouble anywhere so that’s good.
SOGI isn’t a ‘curriculum’. No kids are learning how to have gay sex. The teachers aren’t doing gender reassignments in the classrooms. It’s like lots of other culture war issues at the moment.
re: the convoy - it was absolutely awful. The leaders were a delightful mix of homophobes, islamaphobes, ex - yellow vesters. People were angry about restrictions, fed up with covid and it turned nasty. It’s the same people protesting SOGI now (covid, vaccines- any, 5G, WEF, Bill Gates, George Soros, climate change deniers). I keep an eye on the local Facebook groups to see what flavour of the month is.

A lot of people are naturally conservative on certain of issues. Big deal! Wanting to protect and preserve things which work and function is not an evil sentiment. and wanting permanent revolution and deconstruction ( based on academic theory) is not conducive to social stability.

From the outside it seems to me that so much has been pushed through in recent Canada - which has not permitted for dissent, or for democratic debate - in the name of being 'progressive'. This has alienated many people from all walks of life and political persuasion - as they find that suppression of speech in one area leads to suppression of speech in other areas too.

It is good to see some signs of healthy dissent and democratic voice in Canada - and if that brings people of all persusasions together - how can that be a negative or divisive thing?

Coveescapee · 22/09/2023 12:23

Good post RebelliousCow you have said everything I think but alot better. After Covid I am extremely (probably too) sceptical and cynical about our govt and can't believe how many people believe everything they're told and how to think by the media. I get the impression Canada is alot worse in this regard. The convoyers bank accounts were actually frozen at the behest of the govt, how authoritarian is that? Good luck to the protesters but as we've seen they won't get a sensible debate with the other side just ad hominem insults.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 22/09/2023 14:22

Here it being about safeguarding children.

An emphasis on parental rights often results in the opposite of safeguarding.

RebelliousCow · 22/09/2023 14:47

Coveescapee · 22/09/2023 12:23

Good post RebelliousCow you have said everything I think but alot better. After Covid I am extremely (probably too) sceptical and cynical about our govt and can't believe how many people believe everything they're told and how to think by the media. I get the impression Canada is alot worse in this regard. The convoyers bank accounts were actually frozen at the behest of the govt, how authoritarian is that? Good luck to the protesters but as we've seen they won't get a sensible debate with the other side just ad hominem insults.

Yes, the wilful freezing of dissenters bank accounts is very dystopian. When people start to target people's work and source of income just because they don't like some of their views or behaviours is disturbing. This has happened to many people with gender crictical views too, and no doubt others who don't conform to social justice type dogmas

It is reminiscent of China's social credit system - whereby those who don't 100% toe the line are effectively banished from society and from all of the avenues they need to traverse in order to live.

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