Bristol City Council- trans Inclusion consultation results

[Chariothorses]

Seems the majority of Bristol people disagreed with the council's trans proposals and are against female only services being made mixed sex- but Bristol Council are doing it anyway. Males with a belief in 'gender identity' take priority over all the women excluded...
link here:
https://www.ask.bristol.gov.uk/trans-inclusion-and-gender-diversity-policy-consultation/news_feed/consultation-results

This is horrible. Dismisses the idea that women need single sex spaces due to male violence as “disproportionate”.

Also, this is idiotic: “The list below shows the organisation names that were given in the survey, but doesn’t include responses to this question with slogans like ‘Sex Matters’, ‘Adult Human Female’ etc.” FFS. Sex Matters is a key campaigning organisation.

This is so enraging. I already have a few music venues I can't go to due their mixed sexed loos that are down winding corridors away from groups of people - I didn't realise how unsafe I would be till I saw two unlabeled doors (at least some places say 'urinals' or 'cubicles' ) with noone about.

And that list at the end!

That's madness.

Colour me utterly unshocked that Bristol CC are doing this

labour & greens in alliance, a number of trans people in influential positions

im only actually surprised they bothered to ask in the first place

Again. The elites cannot convince the unwashed masses of their wisdom. So impose it anyway.

Very interesting. One of the things that struck me was that they provided a summary of the demographics who agreed/disagreed such as young people being disproportionately supportive as well as 'LGBT' people (without showing the breakdown between the groups), but one of the differences that jumped out was race. The women who disagreed were heavily disproportionately from minority backgrounds. However, that appears to have been glossed over.
It's also clear that the majority of respondents were female and disagreed.

Bristol has a very big uni population and a very large LGBTQ population as well - I expect there’s a fair bit of overlap between the 2

If you read the summaries of the consultation responses, it doesn’t necessarily appear to have been done impartially. The summaries of several criticisms are done in a dismissive tone that distorts the likely arguments made.

It was - as so often is the case - a perfunctory consultation purely because they’re required to do one. It was never a genuine attempt to understand the views within the community.

It's very interesting in light of that report mentioned in a different thread which suggests there may be a growing intolerance of trans inclusive policies. Of course there is, if this is the implementation process!

BCC is utterly captured

read the “silver motion”

https://digital.bristol.gov.uk/moderngov
there was never any chance this was more than a rubber stamping exercise

So most people think the proposed policy is shit, including the vast majority of people from ethnic minorities. But who cares about them eh?

I would never send a child to Bristol to study now.

Then they’re surprised when people protest.

I work for a council, albeit in a completely different policy area, and we commission quite a bit of public engagement. If we produced a report as biased as that we'd get torn apart!

The fact that they've taken categories that were separate, and then aggregated them to seemingly make a particular point, is very interesting. Unless I've misread this, it looks as though they've lumped under 25s and over 55s together to make a point, snd similarly with L/G and B.

Also, where 'sex matters' and 'adult human female' have been removed from the analysis because they are 'apparently' slogans 🤦🏼‍♀️, id have expected rather that they were noted and the number of occurrences recorded. Seems an odd way of dealing with it.

Re under 25s and over 55s, I mean where are the age breakdowns for the other age groups?! Didn't explain that v well.

Here's the thread from when the consultation opened. I'm too depressed to read the results at the moment!

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4620377-bristol-city-council-consulting-on-new-trans-policy

But I assume anyone saying the slogan "TWAW" or "trans rights" were equally removed. Right?

I've worked in local government and in my experience decisions are usually made prior to the analysis of the consultation responses. I think its a disgrace, but there we go.

I work for a local authority. I have seen the same paragraphs of text and resources used on our EIA regarding the Transition at Work policy. This has Stonewall’s fingerprints all over it.

No. They are down in the summary of comments.

Not sure that that much checking has gone into the report.

Top of page 3 - 'The consultation was targeted at people in Bristol..'

The breakdown seems to show that only 40% of people in Bristol identify as 'Straight / Heterosexual'. Is this credible? - I'm not sure it aligns with figures for the UK as a whole

Starting on page 4, looking at the Responses by characteristic table

Ethnicity breakdown - if you add the values together you end up with 102% (probably rounding)
Sexual orientation - sums to 101% (again, rounding)
Religion - sums to 107%?
Disabled person - sums to 112%

The error in 'Disabled person' seems to be because they have forgotten to remove the 'Prefer not to say' responses. In most of the other categories these are ignored

Not all of the other categories though - for some reason, they have decided to include the 'prefer not to say' numbers in the 'Is the gender you identify as ... ' category. This reduces the 'Yes' response from 64% to the 49% shown

All very odd and inconsistent. It is almost like someone is adjusting the statistical approach so the numbers say the 'right' thing

@CheckingTheNumbers - that's the percentage of respondents, not the percentage of the Bristol population. People with an interest in this subject are far more likely to respond that the general population, who tend to think "meh" about Council consultations.

Well I can see Bristol council in crt over this policy due to it directly discriminates against the protected characteristic of sex, disability and religion/belief.
I see a lot of gardening in the future

I see that, whilst excluding groups which may not be supportive, there's a large number of trans activist groups included. Also, the number of respondents not "identifying" as the sex which they were born as is 28%, or 56 times higher than recorded in the most recent census. That's 5,600% more than in the population at large.

What's going on in Bristol, to cause such an effect?

Why did they even have a consultation?

In case it went their way they could say "here, we're doing what you want".

Now it is "we are doing it for the oppressed minority despite the people being such evil transphobes".

@RichardArmitagesWife Agreed, what I was trying to get at is the wording in the document suggests that it is a survey of the people of Bristol but the responses show that it is actually a very heavily weighted towards one part of the population.

I am not sure what conclusions can be drawn from this sort of survey