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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
Tallisker · 21/09/2023 10:38

What hideous photographs. Why did they get them all to stand like that?

I despair at the size of the task to turn this juggernaut round. I'm part of a GC network at work and we have to be so careful what we say and how we interact. There are people monitoring our every word and raising complaints as soon as they find anything they object to. And the complaints are investigated by a she/her who obviously isn't neutral. It is exhausting and so difficult. The law is on our side but even so!

Brumtiddly · 21/09/2023 11:00

Sorry to hear this, Tallisker.

I suspect that this is why there is only one local chapter of the network. I would love to be part of one in my dept but I feel I would be an immediate target and the slightest slip would get me into disciplinary territory.

I had a conversation with a colleague from our LGBT network at an event earlier this year and very tentatively raised the issue of same-sex attraction. It was a perfectly amicable conversation but I was shaking afterwards. I just don’t have the nerve, especially as I feel like I’m completely alone in the dept.

It is terrifying how effectively people with reasonable, lawful and majoritarian views have been silenced.

Brumtiddly · 21/09/2023 11:02

That said, I will speak up for single sex spaces and if sex is wrongly replaced with gender id in our work. Just not going to put my head above the parapet until I have to.

IcakethereforeIam · 21/09/2023 11:16

The first person Natalie is CrowdFunding as case against the LibDems. There's a link in the article.

RoyalCorgi · 21/09/2023 11:25

It's really good to see this out there in the mainstream media, though. The stories are really shocking and show that this crap isn't just happening to people like Roisin Murphy.

Of course, Billy Bragg would say that they're not being cancelled, and they're just experiencing the consequences of expressing their wrongful opinions.

Transparent2 · 21/09/2023 11:34

What hideous photographs. Why did they get them all to stand like that?

So that we have to scroll past dozens of adverts in order to read the article. And possibly because the Daily Mail likes to portray women in a particular way even when telling their stories. Head and shoulders portraits would have been entirely adequate.

ValancyRedfern · 21/09/2023 12:49

The outfits and poses are awful but the article is great. Unfortunately if I share with friends they won't open it as they think reading the Mail will give them herpes or something.

ArabeIIaScott · 21/09/2023 13:04

Important to read about 'ordinary' women and how this all impacts on them.

TheGreatATuin · 21/09/2023 13:10

I can't remember who it was, but there was a great article recently talking about this and pointing out that 'cancellation' probably isn't the right term and focuses attention away from the core problem.
It's just plain bullying and discrimination, and extreme bullying at that, aimed primarily at women and gay people because of their beliefs, sex or orientation, all of which should be protected under the equality act from exactly this kind of behaviour.

HandShoe · 21/09/2023 13:22

Thanks for posting about this - I've 'planted a few bulbs' for Natalie

HandShoe · 21/09/2023 14:11

For some good news about similar cases - 'Arts Council apologises to Denise Fahmy over harassment for trans views' article in the Times

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/arts-council-apologises-to-denise-fahmy-over-harassment-for-trans-views-5njftk79c

'She was called a neo-Nazi and a “cancer that needs to be removed” by colleagues after she questioned a decision to withdraw funding from a gay rights group it said was transphobic.'

She 'won a formal apology and an undisclosed sum from her former employer'

Arts Council apologises to Denise Fahmy over harassment for trans views

A senior Arts Council England official who was harassed over her views on trans people has vowed to continue fighting “intolerance within the sector” after winn

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/arts-council-apologises-to-denise-fahmy-over-harassment-for-trans-views-5njftk79c

Andante57 · 21/09/2023 14:22

For some good news about similar cases - 'Arts Council apologises to Denise Fahmy over harassment for trans views' article in the Times.

Why were the people who bullied and harassed her granted anonymity in the hearing?
Will there be any consequences for the bullies or will they keep their jobs and carry on as normal?

Boiledbeetle · 21/09/2023 16:30

Two of the women in the article, Louise Distras and Sonya Douglas both appear in the new book Unbridled below.

Ordinary Women being cancelled
AlecTrevelyan006 · 16/12/2023 19:02

Louise has been arrested by WestYorksPolice and is currently in custody.

aname1234 · 18/12/2023 12:59

ValancyRedfern · 21/09/2023 12:49

The outfits and poses are awful but the article is great. Unfortunately if I share with friends they won't open it as they think reading the Mail will give them herpes or something.

And yet, amazingly, it's the DM standing up for women's rights, while the Guardian prints articles about pervs "who are not pervs" 😩

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