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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Interestingly article from 2014

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ZeldaFighter · 14/09/2023 09:54

Interesting to go back to the earlier days - cancelling and boycotting women who protest has been a key tactic from the beginning!

www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/08/04/woman-2

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RethinkingLife · 14/09/2023 10:01

In a conversation between Gluck and Glinner, it's obvious that it's a deliberate strategy because various organisations had previously been stopped by feminists, lesbians, women.

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That's why there's been so much care to demonise women, marginalise and traduce us so that our voices are disdained and ignored. (Denton's playbook is very clear about this and it's been very successful.)

WPATH and The Eunuch Archives

Into the heart of darkness with Genevieve Gluck and the story she dropped this week for REDUXX about the links between WPATH and a website devoted to castrat...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1760s&v=mS8ZfFZ-Bc0

PriOn1 · 14/09/2023 11:48

Reviewing “The Transsexual Empire” in the Times, the psychiatrist Thomas Szasz called it “flawless.” Raymond, he wrote, “has rightly seized on transsexualism as an emblem of modern society’s unremitting—though increasingly concealed—antifeminism.”

Increasingly concealed anti-feminism is a very accurate summary of what has been happening for many years. It is interesting that, in recent years, that there are an increasing number of grassroots womens’ groups springing up and women getting involved, a number of whom make no claim to be feminist or specifically claim they are not.

RealityFan · 14/09/2023 12:20

Interesting that the Quakers, endured periods of real violence and persecution against them, primarily by Puritans, but they never buckled from their belief. Many went to their death because of this.

Centuries on, just a decade ago, the New Puritans persecuted them on this meet for GCs, but this time they did indeed buckle.

And of course, this is how mission creep to the new hegemony starts, rewriting of historically universally held reasonable beliefs, and agreements on definitions in common between peoples, starts to happen, as one group designates itself the new arbiters of taste and controls the discourse and rules, and censors anything not in keeping. And peoples everywhere turn a blind eye.

And thus the revolution takes hold. The majority are seamlessly sidelined or even ejected, there is no nuance allowed, certainly no dissent or discussion.

Thus begins # NoDebate.

Women acquiesce, because let's face it, women always acquiesce.
TWs dominate, because let's face it, men always dominate.

And the rest of us, men, civic society...we tend to say nothing.

And when good people say nothing...

Pudmyboy · 14/09/2023 12:30

RealityFan · 14/09/2023 12:20

Interesting that the Quakers, endured periods of real violence and persecution against them, primarily by Puritans, but they never buckled from their belief. Many went to their death because of this.

Centuries on, just a decade ago, the New Puritans persecuted them on this meet for GCs, but this time they did indeed buckle.

And of course, this is how mission creep to the new hegemony starts, rewriting of historically universally held reasonable beliefs, and agreements on definitions in common between peoples, starts to happen, as one group designates itself the new arbiters of taste and controls the discourse and rules, and censors anything not in keeping. And peoples everywhere turn a blind eye.

And thus the revolution takes hold. The majority are seamlessly sidelined or even ejected, there is no nuance allowed, certainly no dissent or discussion.

Thus begins # NoDebate.

Women acquiesce, because let's face it, women always acquiesce.
TWs dominate, because let's face it, men always dominate.

And the rest of us, men, civic society...we tend to say nothing.

And when good people say nothing...

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Chilling because it is so true

PriOn1 · 14/09/2023 12:47

I’m not completely up to date with what’s happening in the Quaker world, but I think this is a contentious issue for them.

RealityFan · 14/09/2023 12:51

Pudmyboy · 14/09/2023 12:30

Chilling because it is so true

I believe the next five years will be telling, especially in the UK, "TERF Island".

2023 seems a watershed year, where rampant trans ideology hasn't prevailed (Isla Bryson, Lia Thomas), or where barely restrained laughter in the past is no longer restrained at all (Dylan Mulvaney, Mika Minio, Suzeee Edieee Izzard, Kayla Z Cups), legal situations are tested and verdicts support the GC position (Bailey, Bindel, Cherry, Forstater), captured politicians are hoist on their own petard or forced to swivel (Sturgeon, Starmer).

This leaves two areas that remain white hot with controversy, are resolving poorly, and absolutely peaking the public.

One is schools policy on genderised education, and secrecy from parents. The line cannot hold here, it'll have to be resolved, and to the wishes of parents up and down the land.

And cancel culture, primarily the public scolding and victimisation of women. From JKR, to Milli Hill the childcare author and others of her ilk, GC commentators, and very critically, the likes of Róisín who didn't ask to be outed, but in being so has been made an example to all other women, especially those in the arts.

The public are speaking (Róisín topping the charts, selling out gigs, and in no uncertain terms showing discomfort on the schools issue).

So, TRA ruling the agenda just a year ago, the boot now on the other foot ie reality dawning and reasserting in 2023, and in 2024 a Labour government starting, primarily got over the line by the female vote.

This is where it really gets interesting. Because Starmer will mistake a big female vote for tacit support re his pro TRA stance.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

The cancel culture ethos this 2014 example describes reached it's apex in 2022. Starmer needs to realise that the Arrow Of History has now veered from that direction.

If he misjudges female support for a Labour government in the areas of NHS, housing, waiting lists, childcare, for women being ok on being cancelled, he'll have misjudged massively.

Róisín's example shows this shit is over.

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