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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Good new from the states but grrrrr!

18 replies

IcakethereforeIam · 12/09/2023 23:26

Article in Unherd by Eliza Mondegreen

https://unherd.com/thepost/the-pushback-against-youth-gender-transition-has-begun/

Washington University Transgender Centre has announced it will stop prescribing puberty blockers and wrong sex hormones to children. Not because they care for their patients and they recognise the harm they're doing, at least not directly, but because a law has been passed which gives these children far, far longer to sue.

The pullback from youth gender transition has begun

First comes the pushback, then the pullback.  [...]Read More...

https://unherd.com/thepost/the-pushback-against-youth-gender-transition-has-begun

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Ofcourseshecan · 12/09/2023 23:33

Good news, even though the university has only backed down for fear of being sued by the child victims.

And what does that say about the people ‘treating’ these children, that they’re scared of facing them when the children have grown up? That’s not something any decent medic has to fear.

LoobiJee · 12/09/2023 23:34

We are disheartened to have to take this step. However, Missouri’s newly enacted law regarding transgender care has created a new legal claim for patients who received these medications as minors. This legal claim creates unsustainable liability for health-care professionals and makes it untenable for us to continue to provide comprehensive transgender care for minor patients without subjecting the university and our providers to an unacceptable level of liability.”

Unbelievable.

In other words, we’d have no problem with harming your kids if we thought we wouldn’t be held accountable for harming your kids.

Pixiedust1234 · 12/09/2023 23:36

to an unacceptable level of liability.”

Unacceptable??? They knew it was wrong but just didn't care 😥

DrJump · 12/09/2023 23:37

If they were providing comprehensive evidence based care they would be no liability. Oh wait, it's no evidence based? Shocked!

LoobiJee · 12/09/2023 23:45

Missouri’s new law also extended the period of time former patients have to sue for damages to 15 years.

And also

“The Center first came under intense scrutiny earlier this year, when former case manager Jamie Reed blew the whistle…’During the four years I worked at the clinic as a case manager—I was responsible for patient intake and oversight—around a thousand distressed young people came through our doors. The majority of them received hormone prescriptions that can have life-altering consequences—including sterility’…….The Transgender Center rejected Reed’s assessment and conducted their own internal investigation - declaring her allegations ‘unsubstantiated’ “

First comment under the article:
In other words, as long as we had no risk of liability for malpractice, we were happy to keep performing malpractice, but if you are gonna be able to actually [sue] us for that malpractice, well, that is a different story.
^^
I said this insanity would end when the lawyers got involved.”

Datun · 13/09/2023 05:59

We are disheartened to have to take this step. However, Missouri’s newly enacted law regarding transgender care has created a new legal claim for patients who received these medications as minors. This legal claim creates unsustainable liability for health-care professionals and makes it untenable for us to continue to provide comprehensive transgender care for minor patients without subjecting the university and our providers to an unacceptable level of liability.

i'm struggling to believe this. They're actually admitting that they realise they can be sued for harming their patients, so they are reluctantly going to stop.

Who writes this? Frankenstein?

TodayInahurry · 13/09/2023 06:20

This law needs to be brought into the UK, make it 20 years and make the names of the people involved personally liable as well as the medical company. The madness would stop overnight

ArabeIIaScott · 13/09/2023 06:27

Context:

'a new law that just went into effect in Missouri, which limits hormonal and surgical interventions for gender transition to patients over the age of 18.'

IcakethereforeIam · 13/09/2023 08:30

I think changing 'liability' to 'accountability' would be more accurate.

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PriOn1 · 13/09/2023 08:50

Wow.

Whenever UK numbers are mentioned, I am usually somewhat relieved to find they are lower than I had imagined. Obviously it’s not okay for any child to be harmed, but it’s often implied that there are a large number of children coming to the clinic and all are treated affirmatively, but it seems that not all children who are referred there go on PBs or cross sex hormones, so there is presumably still some gatekeeping in the UK.

But here we have 1000 children in just one hospital and when maps are put up with hospitals doing these treatments in the US, there are hundreds of them.

The situation in the US, as usual, is extreme, and with the attitudes demonstrated in the reactions here, it’s obvious why. It has been said on this board before that there is no liability because of the way the consent is framed. I hope there will be many repeats of what is happening here and that all those butchers involved in harming children are brought to justice.

Froodwithatowel · 13/09/2023 08:55

Good.

And bloody hell.

No respect whatsoever for responsibility or children themselves, but money...... oh yes. Respect for that.

One of the worst parts of this period in political history is realising repeatedly just how grimly horrible the ethics of so many in positions of responsibility really are, and how shallow and superficial the values are. Written policy and pontificating galore but it's only noise.

HorseyHorsham · 13/09/2023 09:01

IcakethereforeIam · 12/09/2023 23:26

Article in Unherd by Eliza Mondegreen

https://unherd.com/thepost/the-pushback-against-youth-gender-transition-has-begun/

Washington University Transgender Centre has announced it will stop prescribing puberty blockers and wrong sex hormones to children. Not because they care for their patients and they recognise the harm they're doing, at least not directly, but because a law has been passed which gives these children far, far longer to sue.

So not prepared to put their money where their mouth is then…. Surprisingly

LizzieSiddal · 13/09/2023 09:05

“Missouri’s new law also extended the period of time former patients have to sue for damages to 15 years.

Good let’s hope other states do the same thing. All children deserve the same protection.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/09/2023 09:50

I wonder what's happening with the class actions in the UK for all the those who've been harmed by our sainted NHS? It should be a no brainer given all the evidence from Cass & elsewhere about the lack of evidence, research and the toxic influence of the dodgy lobby groups on child medicine & safeguarding.
Some ex staff members from GIDs are seeking to continue in private practice offering this to children - presumably with minimal state interference it will need to be the insurers who will end up safeguarding children?

LoobiJee · 13/09/2023 10:56

Froodwithatowel · 13/09/2023 08:55

Good.

And bloody hell.

No respect whatsoever for responsibility or children themselves, but money...... oh yes. Respect for that.

One of the worst parts of this period in political history is realising repeatedly just how grimly horrible the ethics of so many in positions of responsibility really are, and how shallow and superficial the values are. Written policy and pontificating galore but it's only noise.

“No respect whatsoever or responsibility for children themselves, but money...... oh yes. Respect for that.”

Straight to the heart of it.

Signalbox · 13/09/2023 11:10

FFS these are children and they are being experimented on.
Why on earth are health providers protected from being sued in the first place? When they aren't even carrying out evidence based practice. Is this normal in America?

Heliotroper · 13/09/2023 11:43

Fifteen years is not even that long, these treatments could cause life long damage.

PriOn1 · 13/09/2023 12:34

Heliotroper · 13/09/2023 11:43

Fifteen years is not even that long, these treatments could cause life long damage.

True, but it is now long enough to include the period during which regret normally surfaces, which I believe is ten years. I can’t see mention of what it was changed from, in the article, but I think it was very short and barely gave time for these children to grow up and consider. It’s a big step in the right direction.

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