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Violent male housed in women's prison in Ireland

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ArabeIIaScott · 10/09/2023 10:23

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/dublin-hairdresser-pulled-clumps-hair-30454455

This was July, but I had missed it until today.

'In her statement, she said, “she grabbed her by the hair” and added that Kavanagh pulled her onto the ground and struck her with a closed fist four or five times. The court heard she told gardai Kavanagh sat on top of her and “pulled clumps of hair out of me”.
She received some medical attention and had a painful left shoulder afterwards. The accused made the admission after the incident.
Kavanagh already had 15 prior criminal convictions since 2009, including one for assault causing harm, resulting in a two-year suspended sentence in 2021 on the conditions of keeping the peace and not re-offending for the following 12 months.
The victim, still homeless, was left “terrified” after the incident did not come to the hearing.'

'Kavanagh is serving sentences in the Dochas Centre, the women’s section of Mountjoy Prison and on 23-hour lock up with no socialising and has a “very strict regime” and no visits.'

Hairdresser pulled 'clumps' of hair from woman's head in homeless centre attack

Shauna Kavanagh’s other offences were for a minor assault, criminal damage, as well as public order, traffic and theft-related offences.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/dublin-hairdresser-pulled-clumps-hair-30454455

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Blinkinbloodyhayfever · 10/09/2023 10:31

Women need to start to sue. If every time an attack happened in a supposed women only place - prison, hospital, hostel, changing room, the victim takes it to court and sues the arses off the organisations allowing males into these spaces, they will soon start to protect women. They won't do it out of regards for women, but they will do it to protect their pockets.

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ArabeIIaScott · 10/09/2023 10:33

Well, yes, but I'm not sure what resources a homeless woman who has been exposed to male violence may have. Or the women in the prison he was housed in.

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ArabeIIaScott · 10/09/2023 10:35

The female victim of male violence - homeless, traumatised, too afraid to come to court - and probably accurately guessing he would be out of prison in a couple of short months - just isn't counted as a human worth considering or protecting.

She knows the police, court, media, and prison service is not on her side. The staff in the homeless centre prioritised his feelings over her safety.

Who is standing up for her?

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AnSolas · 10/09/2023 11:24

Blinkinbloodyhayfever · 10/09/2023 10:31

Women need to start to sue. If every time an attack happened in a supposed women only place - prison, hospital, hostel, changing room, the victim takes it to court and sues the arses off the organisations allowing males into these spaces, they will soon start to protect women. They won't do it out of regards for women, but they will do it to protect their pockets.

The only reason that male is going into a female prison in Ireland is that he was given a GRC. A woman in Ireland has no legal right to object or ability to win an case where the male has a GRC.

Genesis1v27 · 10/09/2023 11:37

I noticed this story earlier, but a different photo was used, and many details were omitted from the reporting, so it didn't trigger anything.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/hairdresser-who-pulled-out-womans-hair-during-attack-in-homeless-shelter-avoids-jail/a769673140.html

This person was jailed in 2021 for assault on several men.

https://m.sundayworld.com/news/irish-news/transgender-woman-morto-after-bloody-punch-up-in-a-drunken-rage/40115740.html

The assaults were committed when using the name Sean Kavanagh.

https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/jail-for-transgender-woman-who-knocked-out-family-friend-in-pub-fracas/40145254.html

"[Judge Elma Sheahan] sentenced Kavanagh to two years in prison but suspended the final 12 months having accepted Kavanagh’s remorse and shame and lack of previous convictions for violence offences.

She said Kavanagh should serve her sentence in the women’s prison and be administered any of the medication as previously prescribed to her by the doctors.

The judge also acknowledged that Kavanagh was psychologically vulnerable at the time, having suppressed her true identity as a transgender woman and also accepted that she will “have difficulty serving time in prison”."

Someone tell Helen McEntee that she is supposed to work against violence against women, not in support of it.

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ArabeIIaScott · 10/09/2023 11:57

'The court heard Mr Coogan had fractures to his left eye socket, right eye socket and the base of his skull as well as a bleed on the brain. He spent eight days in and induced coma in ICU before regaining consciousness. He was discharged three weeks after the attack.'

Jesus. And the judge directed this terrifying man be put in prison with women. Fucking hell, Ireland, what have you done?

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AnSolas · 10/09/2023 12:26

AlecTrevelyan006 · 10/09/2023 12:01

The school could have a serious problem as the parents of a child can object and request that the school ( teacher ) to stop teaching their chid gender ideology.

Coyoacan · 10/09/2023 12:39

I have a friend who sent her children to that school and they have all bought into the gender ideology, hook, line and sinker. It seemed like such a great idea to have a non-religious school but it's turned out to be the most religious of the lot of them

Monopause · 10/09/2023 13:25

Ireland is held up as this bastion of trans rights, where self-ID has caused not the slightest kerfuffle and women are fine with it all. In reality no one gives a shit about women still. A few are allowed an abortion now (whoopidee whoop). But it’s still the nation that brought you the Magdalene Laundries and symphysiotomy. And of course the priests who protected their own.

The fact that this man was put in prison with women in the first place is horrific. The fact that this second incident has not even got him a jail sentence is an insult and an outrage.

It seems that Scotland and Ireland deem male violence against women an excusable, minor deed not worthy of punishment.

AnSolas · 10/09/2023 14:39

Monopause · 10/09/2023 13:25

Ireland is held up as this bastion of trans rights, where self-ID has caused not the slightest kerfuffle and women are fine with it all. In reality no one gives a shit about women still. A few are allowed an abortion now (whoopidee whoop). But it’s still the nation that brought you the Magdalene Laundries and symphysiotomy. And of course the priests who protected their own.

The fact that this man was put in prison with women in the first place is horrific. The fact that this second incident has not even got him a jail sentence is an insult and an outrage.

It seems that Scotland and Ireland deem male violence against women an excusable, minor deed not worthy of punishment.

GRC Men who are future birthers have the same rights to abortion as men with a penis.

So the "8th's" argument is that people with the capacity for pregnancy need abortion.

Funny how Ireland has already debated the capacity for pregnancy and the right to travel and the current 2018 legislation.

Forwarder · 10/09/2023 14:44

Kavanagh is clearly a danger to the public of either sex. He should never have been placed in a women's hostel though. There are other reports from Ireland of homeless women being beaten up by men in women's hostels. The very places that are supposed to be safer than sleeping rough.

Genesis1v27 · 10/09/2023 20:50

From an interview with Jennifer Carroll MacNeill in today's Sunday Independent, written by Hugh O'Connell:

Carroll MacNeill says she is in politics to “protect” the “centrist moderate democracy” that has been cemented in Ireland over the last decade. She expresses concern, when asked, about the “disproportionate” focus on trans issues.

She cites an example of a letter she received recently from Gerard Craughwell, the independent senator, who has called for the 2015 Gender Recognition Act to be revisited. Craughwell’s letter to all ministers references the “insanity” of placing a transgender woman with a history of violence against other women in Limerick Prison.

Carroll MacNeill points out that she has visited Limerick Prison and met with inmates to discuss a wide range of issues and concerns.

“None of the women reference this as an issue,” she says. “They were concerned about their children, their experiences. That was the conversation we had. So I see all this dialogue about Limerick Prison and what’s going on — but I wonder how many people have actually raised issues in the Dáil that are of deep relevance to the women that are there.”

RealityFan · 10/09/2023 20:57

Genesis1v27 · 10/09/2023 20:50

From an interview with Jennifer Carroll MacNeill in today's Sunday Independent, written by Hugh O'Connell:

Carroll MacNeill says she is in politics to “protect” the “centrist moderate democracy” that has been cemented in Ireland over the last decade. She expresses concern, when asked, about the “disproportionate” focus on trans issues.

She cites an example of a letter she received recently from Gerard Craughwell, the independent senator, who has called for the 2015 Gender Recognition Act to be revisited. Craughwell’s letter to all ministers references the “insanity” of placing a transgender woman with a history of violence against other women in Limerick Prison.

Carroll MacNeill points out that she has visited Limerick Prison and met with inmates to discuss a wide range of issues and concerns.

“None of the women reference this as an issue,” she says. “They were concerned about their children, their experiences. That was the conversation we had. So I see all this dialogue about Limerick Prison and what’s going on — but I wonder how many people have actually raised issues in the Dáil that are of deep relevance to the women that are there.”

She'll never be in fucking jail.
She'll never be fucking locked in with men.

As pointed out by another poster here, this is now a caste/high worth social status system as much as it is a neo religion.

This senator wants us to just shut up, as she reaches exalted status imposing the new system, that status totally removed from the risks working class women face.

I've seen traitors to the women's cause, but the elites transmaidens are out on their own.

AnSolas · 10/09/2023 21:45

Genesis1v27 · 10/09/2023 20:50

From an interview with Jennifer Carroll MacNeill in today's Sunday Independent, written by Hugh O'Connell:

Carroll MacNeill says she is in politics to “protect” the “centrist moderate democracy” that has been cemented in Ireland over the last decade. She expresses concern, when asked, about the “disproportionate” focus on trans issues.

She cites an example of a letter she received recently from Gerard Craughwell, the independent senator, who has called for the 2015 Gender Recognition Act to be revisited. Craughwell’s letter to all ministers references the “insanity” of placing a transgender woman with a history of violence against other women in Limerick Prison.

Carroll MacNeill points out that she has visited Limerick Prison and met with inmates to discuss a wide range of issues and concerns.

“None of the women reference this as an issue,” she says. “They were concerned about their children, their experiences. That was the conversation we had. So I see all this dialogue about Limerick Prison and what’s going on — but I wonder how many people have actually raised issues in the Dáil that are of deep relevance to the women that are there.”

Funny how at least one of the women (with penis) in question has an ongoing issue with not being called by female sex pronouns and the fact that the female prison staff objected to being expected to strip-search a woman with a penis. 28 inmates. At the time 2 or 3 would view that as issues that are of deep relevance to the women (with penis) that are there.”
I suspect that Ms MacNeill knows what a woman is.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/prison-officers-demand-guidelines-on-transgender-inmates/39637102.html

And that pesky little problem of the prison officers being at risk of stabbing. Or the women who may come in contact with the male as they are expected to provide companionship and social interactions.

And if the bloke who was convicted of harrassing her decides to get a GRC she ia not going to be supporting his right to pee in a female single sex public bathroom or next to her any time soon.

Prison officers demand guidelines on transgender inmates

Prison officers are demanding procedural guidelines on how to deal with transgender inmates as male staff cannot search men who identify as women while female staff cannot search prisoners who identify as women but are physically still men.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/prison-officers-demand-guidelines-on-transgender-inmates/39637102.html

Dineasair · 01/05/2024 07:38

Blinkinbloodyhayfever · 10/09/2023 10:31

Women need to start to sue. If every time an attack happened in a supposed women only place - prison, hospital, hostel, changing room, the victim takes it to court and sues the arses off the organisations allowing males into these spaces, they will soon start to protect women. They won't do it out of regards for women, but they will do it to protect their pockets.

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