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The dark arts of Starmer’s reshuffle: The charade was powered by sycophancy and spin - Rosie Duffield

26 replies

IwantToRetire · 08/09/2023 00:09

It’s always fascinating to watch from the sidelines as this charade plays out.

First comes the not-so-subtle toadying up to teachers (aka lobbying), then the speculation and rumours, followed by the seething rage as current shadow ministers have to endure the humiliating and crude discourtesy of reading another’s appointment to their role via a Labour Party tweet. Watch them quietly boiling away for days, with a rictus grin plastered on as they wait to announce themselves “thrilled” with whatever’s left. Which kind of begs the question: how did they grin and bear the past 10 months or two years as Minister for Endangered Birds if what they really longed for was to be Minister for Ethical Fashion?

So, back in the real world, I will continue to fulfil the role I have been permanently cast in: the child announcing the Emperor is stark naked as he parades a new suit of clothes spun by a couple of charlatan tailors, versed at spinning tall tales to please those in power.

From a longer article at https://unherd.com/2023/09/the-dark-art-of-toadying-to-starmer

The dark arts of Starmer's reshuffle

The charade was powered by sycophancy and spin

https://unherd.com/2023/09/the-dark-art-of-toadying-to-starmer

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AmbleInAnnBoleyn · 08/09/2023 00:17

I do heart Rosie.

PRAMtran · 08/09/2023 00:17

From the article I see nothing to celebrate . Rosie’s been treated shabbily by Kier and the Labour Party. It’s jobs For the boys and their children, I get that. But I didn’t see any where in the Labour Party mission statement that Rosie referred to, that women’s rights are are being protected.

TooBigForMyBoots · 08/09/2023 00:20

Political party does internal politics to increase their chance of winning an election.🤷‍♀️

IwantToRetire · 08/09/2023 00:28

But I didn’t see any where in the Labour Party mission statement that Rosie referred to, that women’s rights are are being protected.

Well obviously not. This is a personal comment reflection of being part of the Labour Party.

And unfortunately as the article makes clear, she is an outsider so of course they aren't going to do anything about women's rights.

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IwantToRetire · 08/09/2023 00:29

I really liked the way she wrote.

And see it as not just a statement about herself but a tribute to JKR!

Power and strength to both of them surviving and fighting against the back stabbing and betrayals.

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Somanycats · 08/09/2023 01:05

Oooh ooh! I want the ministry for endangered birds! But only if the ministry for the protection of home made cakes is gone.

Sausagenbacon · 08/09/2023 07:02

I think rd is great, but didn't think much of the article. And she references Annaliese Dodd's piece in the Guardian as a sign that change has happened in the Labour Party, which I think is over-optemistic, to say the least.

RoyalCorgi · 08/09/2023 08:23

I love the fact that she clearly no longer cares about whether she upsets the leadership - even though she ought to be a shining light on the front bench, she is from the wrong background and has the wrong views. Fortunately, in the long run, history will record Rosie Duffield as one of the stars of this parliament.

PlanetJanette · 08/09/2023 11:16

RoyalCorgi · 08/09/2023 08:23

I love the fact that she clearly no longer cares about whether she upsets the leadership - even though she ought to be a shining light on the front bench, she is from the wrong background and has the wrong views. Fortunately, in the long run, history will record Rosie Duffield as one of the stars of this parliament.

What do you think makes her the 'wrong background'?

lechiffre55 · 08/09/2023 11:38

@PlanetJanette
What do you think makes her the 'wrong background'?

She's working class.
She explains it in her article, quote:

"As somebody who wandered into this Hogwartian world from an ordinary job, I am a stranger to the dark art of “spin”. I do not come from a long and distinguished line of former wizards working at the Ministry of Magic, I did not get a scholarship here because my friends or family saved me a seat and I did not go to kindergarten with anyone who works in the Headmaster’s office."

Bosky · 08/09/2023 12:55

That cheered me up no end! What a good writer Rosie is. Not so much an iron fist in a velvet glove as a stiletto dipped in crystals of rose-scented sherbet. Yummy! 💞

RoyalCorgi · 08/09/2023 13:06

What do you think makes her the 'wrong background'?

Fortunately lechiffre55 answered that for me.

ArabeIIaScott · 08/09/2023 13:08

Rosie is astonishing. You don't get many politicians with that amount of guts and integrity.

Labour don't fucking deserve her.

lechiffre55 · 08/09/2023 13:28

ArabeIIaScott · 08/09/2023 13:08

Rosie is astonishing. You don't get many politicians with that amount of guts and integrity.

Labour don't fucking deserve her.

Can you imagine what kind of country we would live in if all the politicians of all sides had at least half her gumption and sense?

As it is we mostly have politicans who can only dream of and aspire to becoming half wits. Middle mangament beauracrats who stand for nothing beyond expense claims and question dodging.

IwantToRetire · 08/09/2023 16:26

But only if the ministry for the protection of home made cakes is gone.

Defintely gone if my studying of the dark arts of sppining and toadying have proved worthwhile!

But seriously ...

On one level what she has written is what we all know about political parties.

Why do so many play along with it.

As it is we all know and experience that whether as Government or opposition as a method of working it is non productive - and worse excluded the ordinary voter, that this is all meant to be about, from being engaged.

And saddest of all to know someone has realised they will forever be banished to the outer limits of the party they joined and represent, and so have nothing to lose by writing like this.

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PlanetJanette · 08/09/2023 17:17

lechiffre55 · 08/09/2023 11:38

@PlanetJanette
What do you think makes her the 'wrong background'?

She's working class.
She explains it in her article, quote:

"As somebody who wandered into this Hogwartian world from an ordinary job, I am a stranger to the dark art of “spin”. I do not come from a long and distinguished line of former wizards working at the Ministry of Magic, I did not get a scholarship here because my friends or family saved me a seat and I did not go to kindergarten with anyone who works in the Headmaster’s office."

That doesn't really stack up to reality when you look at the actual front bench, though, does it?

Let's just take her 'ordinary job' claim. Angela Rayner was a care worker. Catherine West was a social worker in a childhood sexual abuse centre. Jess Philips worked for a womens aid refuge. Lou Haigh was a a community youth worker.

Having ordinary jobs doesn't seem to have been a barrier to many other members of the Shadow Front Bench.

Bosky · 09/09/2023 01:16

PlanetJanette · 08/09/2023 17:17

That doesn't really stack up to reality when you look at the actual front bench, though, does it?

Let's just take her 'ordinary job' claim. Angela Rayner was a care worker. Catherine West was a social worker in a childhood sexual abuse centre. Jess Philips worked for a womens aid refuge. Lou Haigh was a a community youth worker.

Having ordinary jobs doesn't seem to have been a barrier to many other members of the Shadow Front Bench.

Hmmmm. Some cherry-picking of brief, unrepresentative periods out of their careers to make a point?

IIRC Jess Philips had a managerial role at a women's age refuge, hardly an "ordinary job".

Not exactly working class or without political connections and ambition either:

"Brought up in the left-wing belief system, her early ambition was to become a Prime Minister. At the age of fourteen, she received her Labour Party membership card and at sixteen started taking part in election campaign, marching beside her parents in different rallies."

https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/jess-phillips-50443.php

"Jessica Rose Phillips was born on 9 October 1981 in Birmingham, West Midlands.The youngest of four children, Phillips is the daughter of Stewart Trainor, a teacher, and Jean Trainor (née Mackay), an NHS administrator who rose to become deputy chief executive of the NHS Confederation and chair of South Birmingham Mental Health Trust.

They were politically active: "Growing up with my father was like growing up with Jeremy Corbyn", she told Rachel Cooke of The Observer in March 2016. Phillips went to King Edward VI Camp Hill School for Girls, a local grammar school. Her childhood ambition was to become Prime Minister.

Phillips studied economic and social history and social policy at the University of Leeds from 2000 to 2003. She has said she marched in protest against the Iraq War. From 2011 to 2013, she studied for a postgraduate diploma in public sector management at the University of Birmingham.

Phillips worked for a period for her parents at their company, Healthlinks Event Management Services. From 2010 onwards, Phillips worked for the Women's Aid Federation of England as a business development manager, responsible for managing refuges for victims of domestic abuse in Sandwell in the West Midlands"

"In the 2012 local elections, she was elected as a Labour councillor for the Longbridge ward, taking the seat from the Conservatives."

(Very commendable but not a patch on Duffield's success in taking the Canterbury Parliamentary seat, which had been held by the Tories since it was established in 1918.)

"She was then appointed as the victims' champion at Birmingham City Council, lobbying police and criminal justice organisations on behalf of victims. She also served on the West Midlands Police and Crime Panel."

"Phillips was selected from an all-women shortlist to contest Birmingham Yardley in June 2013, which was then represented by John Hemming of the Liberal Democrats. In the 2015 general election, with an 11.7% swing away from the Liberal Democrats, Phillips was elected as a Member of Parliament (MP), receiving 17,129 votes (41.6%) and achieving a 6,595-vote majority (16.0%) over her closest rival."

(Jess was promoted to the Shadow Cabinet in 2020. She had several well-publicised disagreements with Party Leadership and threatened to resign from the Labour Party and stand as an Independent - she did leave the Party for a while before she entered Parliament. Jess also keeps busy outside Parliament)

"Since 2019, Phillips has received the second highest income on top of her MP’s salary amongst Labour Party MPs"

(Left wing, professional parents in high level jobs who also ran a business. University educated to post grad level with a Management qualification. Worked for her parent's company and then went into management in the voluntary sector. Two years later, entered local politics as an elected Labour Party councillor and subsequently achieved appointment to other very responsible positions in local politics.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jess_Phillips

Catherine West "was born on 14 September 1966 in Mansfield, Australia, one of four children to Janet (née Conti) and Roderick West AM. Her parents were both teachers and her father was Headmaster of Trinity Grammar School in Sydney for 21 years. She is the great-great niece of actress Italia Conti. She grew up in Sydney and was privately educated at Meriden and Ravenswood.

West studied modern languages and social work at the University of Sydney. While studying there, she met her future husband Colin Sutherland. They lived together in Darwin, Northern Territory where she worked as a social worker in a refuge for survivors of childhood sexual abuse. West and Sutherland moved to the United Kingdom in 1998 when he gained a job at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine. She then gained a master's degree in Chinese Studies from the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London."

West joined the Labour Party in 1998 and became a caseworker for MP David Lammy two years later. From 2 May 2002 to 22 May 2014, West was a member of the Islington London Borough Council representing the Tollington Ward. She was the leader of the council's Labour Party group from 2004 to 10 October 2013 and Council Leader from 6 May 2010 to 10 October 2013. She resigned as councillor in order to contest the 2015 general election.

She was elected Member of Parliament (MP) for Hornsey and Wood Green in the 2015 general election.

Following the election of Jeremy Corbyn as Leader of the Labour Party, whose campaign she supported, West was promoted to the Official Opposition Frontbench as a Shadow Foreign Office Minister.

(Privately educated, professional parents, university educated, rapid ascent in the Labour Party after only two years membership. Stood for a safe seat and was promoted to the Shadow Cabinet four months after she was elected.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_West

Louise Haigh "grew up on Abbeydale Road, Sheffield, and now lives in Norfolk Park, Sheffield. She was educated at Sheffield High School, an independent school. She then studied government and economics at the London School of Economics but did not complete the course, and opted to study politics at the University of Nottingham. Her grandfather and uncle were trade union officials.

After graduating, Haigh worked for the local council youth service from 2006 to 2008. She then began working in Parliament, where she was the co-ordinator of the all party parliamentary group on international corporate responsibility. During this time, she was also a Unite shop steward and volunteered as a special constable in the Metropolitan Special Constabulary from 2009 to 2011.

From 2012, Haigh worked for Aviva as public policy manager, responsible for corporate governance and responsible investment policy."

"Haigh was selected to stand for the Labour Party in Sheffield Heeley in May 2014. She was first elected to Parliament at the May 2015 general election and re-elected in June 2017 and December 2019."

"In September 2015, Haigh was appointed Shadow Minister for Civil Service and Digital Reform. The role, newly expanded under Jeremy Corbyn, covers the Government's digital strategy, the Freedom of Information Act, data security and privacy."

(Privately educated, trade union family, studied politics at University, two years working for the LA youth service, then party apparatchik working in Parliament followed by a high-level management job. Promoted to Shadow Cabinet four months after being elected to Parliament.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Haigh

Angela Rayner is closest to Rosie Duffield in terms of upbringing and personal experience. However, Rayner benefitted politically from a career in the trade union movement. This gave her many advantages, perhaps including her meteoric rise to the Shadow Cabinet less than a year after being elected? A bit of a slow-coach though compared to Catherine West and Louise Haigh's mere four months before their promotions to the Shadow Cabinet.

"Rayner was born and raised in Stockport, where she attended the state secondary Avondale School. She left school aged 16 whilst pregnant and without any qualifications. She later trained in social care at Stockport College and worked for the local council as a care worker. She eventually became a trade union representative within Unison, during which time she joined the Labour Party. Selected to contest Ashton‑under‑Lyne in 2014 and elected for the seat at the 2015 general election, she was appointed Shadow Minister for Pensions by Jeremy Corbyn in January 2016.

Rayner was promoted in July 2016 to the Shadow Cabinet as Shadow Secretary of State for Education and Shadow Minister for Women and Equalities."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Rayner

"Rosemary Clare Duffield was born on 1 July 1971 in Norwich, Norfolk, England. and later moved to South East London where her father worked as an anti-terrorism police officer. She left school at the age of 16 and completed an administration apprenticeship at Guy's Hospital. She then attended a further education college. She moved to Canterbury in 1998 and worked as a primary school teaching assistant in various schools, before becoming briefly a political satire writer.

In 2015, Duffield stood in the St Stephen's ward of Canterbury City Council where both seats were won by the Conservatives.

Duffield was elected to parliament in the 2017 general election with a majority of 187, defeating the incumbent Conservative Member of Parliament (MP) Julian Brazier. Brazier had been its MP since 1987 and the constituency had been represented by a Conservative since its creation in 1918.

On her election, she was appointed Parliamentary Private Secretary (PPS) to Dawn Butler, the Shadow Secretary of State for Women and Equalities. On 13 June 2018, Duffield was one of six MPs to resign from the Opposition frontbench to vote in favour of remaining in the single market by joining the European Economic Area, as the party had instructed its MPs to abstain. She has been a member of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Select Committee since March 2020 and was previously a member of the Work and Pensions Select Committee between June 2018 and November 2019 and the Women and Equalities Committee between September 2017 and June 2018 and March and May 2020."

Angela Rayner, Catherine West, Jess Philips and Lou Haigh do not seem to be best examples to refute Duffield's satirically-expressed comments about her own personal and political background, and subsequent time in office, compared with other Labour Party MPs new to Parliament:

"As somebody who wandered into this Hogwartian world from an ordinary job, I am a stranger to the dark art of “spin”. I do not come from a long and distinguished line of former wizards working at the Ministry of Magic, I did not get a scholarship here because my friends or family saved me a seat and I did not go to kindergarten with anyone who works in the Headmaster’s office.

So I watch with amusement at those who slotted into the very safest Labour seats — where they replaced disgraced, retiring or fed-up former colleagues — get promoted to the shadow frontbench after a mere handful of appearances in the chamber (of secrets) and without so much as attending even the first lesson in How to Communicate Well With Muggle Voters. Hardly the most obvious possessors of sparkling charisma or subject specialism, they are tweeting their gratitude before even the first chair is installed in their new offices. So what is their secret? What is the magic needed to proceed so effortlessly at such rapid speed?"

https://unherd.com/2023/09/the-dark-art-of-toadying-to-starmer/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jess_Phillips

lechiffre55 · 09/09/2023 12:50

Bosky · 09/09/2023 01:16

Hmmmm. Some cherry-picking of brief, unrepresentative periods out of their careers to make a point?

IIRC Jess Philips had a managerial role at a women's age refuge, hardly an "ordinary job".

Not exactly working class or without political connections and ambition either:

"Brought up in the left-wing belief system, her early ambition was to become a Prime Minister. At the age of fourteen, she received her Labour Party membership card and at sixteen started taking part in election campaign, marching beside her parents in different rallies."

https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/jess-phillips-50443.php

"Jessica Rose Phillips was born on 9 October 1981 in Birmingham, West Midlands.The youngest of four children, Phillips is the daughter of Stewart Trainor, a teacher, and Jean Trainor (née Mackay), an NHS administrator who rose to become deputy chief executive of the NHS Confederation and chair of South Birmingham Mental Health Trust.

They were politically active: "Growing up with my father was like growing up with Jeremy Corbyn", she told Rachel Cooke of The Observer in March 2016. Phillips went to King Edward VI Camp Hill School for Girls, a local grammar school. Her childhood ambition was to become Prime Minister.

Phillips studied economic and social history and social policy at the University of Leeds from 2000 to 2003. She has said she marched in protest against the Iraq War. From 2011 to 2013, she studied for a postgraduate diploma in public sector management at the University of Birmingham.

Phillips worked for a period for her parents at their company, Healthlinks Event Management Services. From 2010 onwards, Phillips worked for the Women's Aid Federation of England as a business development manager, responsible for managing refuges for victims of domestic abuse in Sandwell in the West Midlands"

"In the 2012 local elections, she was elected as a Labour councillor for the Longbridge ward, taking the seat from the Conservatives."

(Very commendable but not a patch on Duffield's success in taking the Canterbury Parliamentary seat, which had been held by the Tories since it was established in 1918.)

"She was then appointed as the victims' champion at Birmingham City Council, lobbying police and criminal justice organisations on behalf of victims. She also served on the West Midlands Police and Crime Panel."

"Phillips was selected from an all-women shortlist to contest Birmingham Yardley in June 2013, which was then represented by John Hemming of the Liberal Democrats. In the 2015 general election, with an 11.7% swing away from the Liberal Democrats, Phillips was elected as a Member of Parliament (MP), receiving 17,129 votes (41.6%) and achieving a 6,595-vote majority (16.0%) over her closest rival."

(Jess was promoted to the Shadow Cabinet in 2020. She had several well-publicised disagreements with Party Leadership and threatened to resign from the Labour Party and stand as an Independent - she did leave the Party for a while before she entered Parliament. Jess also keeps busy outside Parliament)

"Since 2019, Phillips has received the second highest income on top of her MP’s salary amongst Labour Party MPs"

(Left wing, professional parents in high level jobs who also ran a business. University educated to post grad level with a Management qualification. Worked for her parent's company and then went into management in the voluntary sector. Two years later, entered local politics as an elected Labour Party councillor and subsequently achieved appointment to other very responsible positions in local politics.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jess_Phillips

Catherine West "was born on 14 September 1966 in Mansfield, Australia, one of four children to Janet (née Conti) and Roderick West AM. Her parents were both teachers and her father was Headmaster of Trinity Grammar School in Sydney for 21 years. She is the great-great niece of actress Italia Conti. She grew up in Sydney and was privately educated at Meriden and Ravenswood.

West studied modern languages and social work at the University of Sydney. While studying there, she met her future husband Colin Sutherland. They lived together in Darwin, Northern Territory where she worked as a social worker in a refuge for survivors of childhood sexual abuse. West and Sutherland moved to the United Kingdom in 1998 when he gained a job at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine. She then gained a master's degree in Chinese Studies from the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London."

West joined the Labour Party in 1998 and became a caseworker for MP David Lammy two years later. From 2 May 2002 to 22 May 2014, West was a member of the Islington London Borough Council representing the Tollington Ward. She was the leader of the council's Labour Party group from 2004 to 10 October 2013 and Council Leader from 6 May 2010 to 10 October 2013. She resigned as councillor in order to contest the 2015 general election.

She was elected Member of Parliament (MP) for Hornsey and Wood Green in the 2015 general election.

Following the election of Jeremy Corbyn as Leader of the Labour Party, whose campaign she supported, West was promoted to the Official Opposition Frontbench as a Shadow Foreign Office Minister.

(Privately educated, professional parents, university educated, rapid ascent in the Labour Party after only two years membership. Stood for a safe seat and was promoted to the Shadow Cabinet four months after she was elected.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_West

Louise Haigh "grew up on Abbeydale Road, Sheffield, and now lives in Norfolk Park, Sheffield. She was educated at Sheffield High School, an independent school. She then studied government and economics at the London School of Economics but did not complete the course, and opted to study politics at the University of Nottingham. Her grandfather and uncle were trade union officials.

After graduating, Haigh worked for the local council youth service from 2006 to 2008. She then began working in Parliament, where she was the co-ordinator of the all party parliamentary group on international corporate responsibility. During this time, she was also a Unite shop steward and volunteered as a special constable in the Metropolitan Special Constabulary from 2009 to 2011.

From 2012, Haigh worked for Aviva as public policy manager, responsible for corporate governance and responsible investment policy."

"Haigh was selected to stand for the Labour Party in Sheffield Heeley in May 2014. She was first elected to Parliament at the May 2015 general election and re-elected in June 2017 and December 2019."

"In September 2015, Haigh was appointed Shadow Minister for Civil Service and Digital Reform. The role, newly expanded under Jeremy Corbyn, covers the Government's digital strategy, the Freedom of Information Act, data security and privacy."

(Privately educated, trade union family, studied politics at University, two years working for the LA youth service, then party apparatchik working in Parliament followed by a high-level management job. Promoted to Shadow Cabinet four months after being elected to Parliament.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Haigh

Angela Rayner is closest to Rosie Duffield in terms of upbringing and personal experience. However, Rayner benefitted politically from a career in the trade union movement. This gave her many advantages, perhaps including her meteoric rise to the Shadow Cabinet less than a year after being elected? A bit of a slow-coach though compared to Catherine West and Louise Haigh's mere four months before their promotions to the Shadow Cabinet.

"Rayner was born and raised in Stockport, where she attended the state secondary Avondale School. She left school aged 16 whilst pregnant and without any qualifications. She later trained in social care at Stockport College and worked for the local council as a care worker. She eventually became a trade union representative within Unison, during which time she joined the Labour Party. Selected to contest Ashton‑under‑Lyne in 2014 and elected for the seat at the 2015 general election, she was appointed Shadow Minister for Pensions by Jeremy Corbyn in January 2016.

Rayner was promoted in July 2016 to the Shadow Cabinet as Shadow Secretary of State for Education and Shadow Minister for Women and Equalities."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Rayner

"Rosemary Clare Duffield was born on 1 July 1971 in Norwich, Norfolk, England. and later moved to South East London where her father worked as an anti-terrorism police officer. She left school at the age of 16 and completed an administration apprenticeship at Guy's Hospital. She then attended a further education college. She moved to Canterbury in 1998 and worked as a primary school teaching assistant in various schools, before becoming briefly a political satire writer.

In 2015, Duffield stood in the St Stephen's ward of Canterbury City Council where both seats were won by the Conservatives.

Duffield was elected to parliament in the 2017 general election with a majority of 187, defeating the incumbent Conservative Member of Parliament (MP) Julian Brazier. Brazier had been its MP since 1987 and the constituency had been represented by a Conservative since its creation in 1918.

On her election, she was appointed Parliamentary Private Secretary (PPS) to Dawn Butler, the Shadow Secretary of State for Women and Equalities. On 13 June 2018, Duffield was one of six MPs to resign from the Opposition frontbench to vote in favour of remaining in the single market by joining the European Economic Area, as the party had instructed its MPs to abstain. She has been a member of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Select Committee since March 2020 and was previously a member of the Work and Pensions Select Committee between June 2018 and November 2019 and the Women and Equalities Committee between September 2017 and June 2018 and March and May 2020."

Angela Rayner, Catherine West, Jess Philips and Lou Haigh do not seem to be best examples to refute Duffield's satirically-expressed comments about her own personal and political background, and subsequent time in office, compared with other Labour Party MPs new to Parliament:

"As somebody who wandered into this Hogwartian world from an ordinary job, I am a stranger to the dark art of “spin”. I do not come from a long and distinguished line of former wizards working at the Ministry of Magic, I did not get a scholarship here because my friends or family saved me a seat and I did not go to kindergarten with anyone who works in the Headmaster’s office.

So I watch with amusement at those who slotted into the very safest Labour seats — where they replaced disgraced, retiring or fed-up former colleagues — get promoted to the shadow frontbench after a mere handful of appearances in the chamber (of secrets) and without so much as attending even the first lesson in How to Communicate Well With Muggle Voters. Hardly the most obvious possessors of sparkling charisma or subject specialism, they are tweeting their gratitude before even the first chair is installed in their new offices. So what is their secret? What is the magic needed to proceed so effortlessly at such rapid speed?"

https://unherd.com/2023/09/the-dark-art-of-toadying-to-starmer/

wow :)
I couldn't be arsed to dig into all the examples provided, but I'm glad you did thanks. It makes me think you might be a journalist, a proper one, like in the old days.
Labour seem to have become a very metrosexual quinoa and smashed avocado on toast Islington dinner party clique organization. Rosie Duffield standing up for womens rights is positively unwelcome as has been made very clear. I think they wish they could get rid of her but are afraid of the pesky voters now that women get the vote too. I think Labour are incredibly out of touch with the electorate, and they don't care at all that they are. There's this arrogance that voters are idiots and the politicians are smart and know what's good for everyone else. The Tories do it too, but Labour do it much more. See Gordon Bown calling that woman who was concerned about immigration a bigot, Lammy calling women dinosaurs hoarding rights like eggs. Genuine concerns are not just ignored, but actively looked down upon, insulted and despised. They have no love for the elctorate, no desire to serve, we are a horrible dirty inconveniece to them.

RealityFan · 09/09/2023 13:14

Yet Jess Phillips is an ally, yes? And pretty vocal. How is she feeling right now?

The other thing which is hugely relevant is that The Trans Child, in all its golden glow, halo, and suicide ideation preeminence, is absolutely the totem for the intersectional left.

At least three shadow ministers have trans IDing children including one with mastectomies, others hugely vocal online, and another half dozen or so shadow ministers very TWAW.

Right now in Labour, the trans child rights trumps all other minority concerns, and women are expected to give up some of their hard earned rights to allow trans their freedom.

The fact that Labour men have traditionally brushed aside women in the movement makes this transpreading and transplaining all the more predictable.

Older Labour men...go and make the tea, dear.
Younger Labour men...Rosie Duffield is a bigot
Older Labour women...feminism evolves.
Younger Labour women...penises welcome in women's groups, anyone saying that's wrong is a bigot.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 09/09/2023 13:20

@Bosky

thank you for this.

Riapia · 09/09/2023 13:48

If Rosie could stop telling the truth she might be welcome at the trough. She just will not lie.

“If you always insist on telling the truth, sooner or later you’re bound to be found out. “
Oscar Wilde.

Bosky · 09/09/2023 15:13

RealityFan · 09/09/2023 13:14

Yet Jess Phillips is an ally, yes? And pretty vocal. How is she feeling right now?

The other thing which is hugely relevant is that The Trans Child, in all its golden glow, halo, and suicide ideation preeminence, is absolutely the totem for the intersectional left.

At least three shadow ministers have trans IDing children including one with mastectomies, others hugely vocal online, and another half dozen or so shadow ministers very TWAW.

Right now in Labour, the trans child rights trumps all other minority concerns, and women are expected to give up some of their hard earned rights to allow trans their freedom.

The fact that Labour men have traditionally brushed aside women in the movement makes this transpreading and transplaining all the more predictable.

Older Labour men...go and make the tea, dear.
Younger Labour men...Rosie Duffield is a bigot
Older Labour women...feminism evolves.
Younger Labour women...penises welcome in women's groups, anyone saying that's wrong is a bigot.

"The other thing which is hugely relevant is that The Trans Child, in all its golden glow, halo, and suicide ideation preeminence, is absolutely the totem for the intersectional left.

At least three shadow ministers have trans IDing children including one with mastectomies, others hugely vocal online, and another half dozen or so shadow ministers very TWAW.

Right now in Labour, the trans child rights trumps all other minority concerns, and women are expected to give up some of their hard earned rights to allow trans their freedom."

Yes, HUGELY important factor, "The Sacred Trans Child" to the Political Wing of the Church of Trans.

I have sympathy with the views of some legal bods that the thrust of the argument in Forstater should not have been a defence of GC beliefs but rather an argument that there was discrimination on the basis of refusal to adopt Gender Identity Ideology, which would have required those who hold Gender Identity beliefs to hold up their beliefs to scrutiny and defend them.

If it were recognised that Gender Identity beliefs constituted a secular religion or political ideology then would politicians be expected or required to declare their interest when forming policy or debating relevant legislation? Much in the way that MPs are expected to declare Religious affiliations when the issue is abortion rights?

IwantToRetire · 09/09/2023 16:27

I dont think Rosie Duffield was making any claims to being working class and not sure why anyone has thought it was some sort competition re origins.

She is talking about just working in an ordinary fashion.

Not being some stupid SPAD who have never done a days real work but is allowed to make policy (dont ever forget it was a female university SPAD who helped define the equality act so that TW were the default "female" and biological women were only female with "special exemptions".

ie she is writing about her party being open to manipulation and different cults having power and influence and different times eg not that long ago Corbanistas.

So more that internal political factionism is creating policy most of which is about as much use to the general public as a wet sponge in a rainstorm.

Certainly this is how my local council is run. The priorities aren't those most in need, but currying favour with groups they most to be in with.

And in both the instance of my local council and the next GE as Labour are a shoe in (if nothing else Tory fatigue) it is inexplicable that given this opportunity they dont want to have an agenda that aims at real change, and instead opt for Tory lite.

OP posts:
PlanetJanette · 09/09/2023 17:54

So this only makes sense if you think someone managing a refuge doesn’t have an ‘ordinary job’. What precisely do you think of as an ‘ordinary job’?

Bosky · 09/09/2023 18:20

PlanetJanette · 09/09/2023 17:54

So this only makes sense if you think someone managing a refuge doesn’t have an ‘ordinary job’. What precisely do you think of as an ‘ordinary job’?

Have a think about what the word "ordinary" means.

eg. "of a kind to be expected in the normal order of events"
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ordinary

Then have a think about the number of opportunities for anyone to get a job working as:

"a business development manager, responsible for managing refuges for victims of domestic abuse in" a densely-populated, large area of the country, eg. Sandwell in the West Midlands.

How many jobs do you think there are like that in the whole UK?

Does this sentence sound like it reflects reality?

"Most women can expect to go to university and then get an ordinary job, such as working as a business development manager, responsible for managing refuges for victims of domestic abuse in a densely-populated, large area of the country".

Definition of ORDINARY

of a kind to be expected in the normal order of events : routine, usual; of common quality, rank, or ability; deficient in quality : poor, inferior… See the full definition

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ordinary