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Was anyone else mystified by this Guardian article about the clothes worn by the Bloomsbury group?

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MaybeDoctor · 29/08/2023 20:44

I was recently rather puzzled by a Guardian article which focuses on the clothing worn by the Bloomsbury group when staying at Charleston. Everyone who has come across Virgina Woolf and friends knows that members of the Bloomsbury group had heterosexual, gay and lesbian relationships, but there seems to be a huge emphasis on re-examining this in the lens of queer theory.

The bit that jumped out at me was the analysis of a very mundane photograph, of JM Keynes and Duncan Grant standing opposite each other. It is literally a photograph of two men standing a couple of feet apart, chatting, wearing three-piece-suits - utterly innocuous - but it is re-interpreted as one man 'thrusting his crotch' at the other and the other man 'shielding' himself with his hands. The description came before the photograph and I was expecting something completely different from the bland picture that followed! The article seems bizarrely determined to sexualise things that are not sexual at all...

To the authors of the article and the book:

The Bloomsbury group had sex, as well as being mothers, fathers, artists and well-educated individuals.
They had same-sex relationships, as many people do over the course of a long life. This is not intrinsically extraordinary, although same sex-relationships either broke social norms or were illegal at the time.
This was known long before you came into being and does not need to be 'queered'!

‘You’re not getting any’ – the secret sexual signals in the Bloomsbury Group’s clothes | Culture | The Guardian

‘You’re not getting any’ – the secret sexual signals in the Bloomsbury Group’s clothes

The Bloomsbury Group weren’t just artistic and sexual pioneers. They also sparked a sartorial revolution. We meet the author of Bring No Clothes, a revealing book about fashion’s queer trailblazers

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2023/aug/22/secret-sexual-signals-bloomsbury-group-bring-no-clothes-charlie-porter-charleston

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beatrice12 · 17/09/2023 20:36

That's really horrible, Annis. I have never seen that mentioned in anything about Bloomsbury, although I mainly read about the women. It doesn't suprise me at all, sadly-so many people who are still feted by queer theorists, eg Gide and Genet, abused children and teenagers. Among those who push boundaries, it tends (but of course not always) to be men push them to abuse. This isn't confined to gay men of course, but a lot of unpleasant queer theory people have tried to smuggle abuse under the cover of liberating from boundaries, eg Foucault, and of course this has happened recently with Pride. I suppose the Bloomsbury abusers were earlier examples of this.
Looking up, apparently John Maynard Keynes recorded exploiting boys in their late teens, and possibly abusing children. I can't find anything about any others. And these men are still venerated today..

viques · 18/09/2023 09:25

Villagetoraiseachild · 10/09/2023 22:32

The cake was quite good at Charleston last time I was there.
The room volunteer in one room was agog to tell me about the sexual shenanigans but wasn't able to answer an art related question....

I am peeved that the article author has been allowed to sit on a hallowed chair. I was talking to one of the room custodians and accidentally and very fleetingly touched a wooden bed post. She reacted as though I had whipped out a small electric saw and carved myself a personal souvenir.

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