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Could failing to acknowledge Women's Rights Bankrupt the Green Party?

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RedToothBrush · 29/08/2023 16:50

https://bylinetimes.com/2023/08/29/green-party-at-risk-of-going-bust-amid-trans-rights-row-legal-challenge-from-former-deputy-leader/

A shadow hangs over the future of the Green Party of England and Wales, as the party’s official financial accounts suggest a legal challenge from a former deputy leader could bring the organisation down as a “going concern”.

The latest accounts from the Greens, filed with the Electoral Commission, reveal a warning from auditors that a “material uncertainty exists regarding legal claims” as to whether the party will continue to remain financially afloat.

Byline Times has learnt that this uncertainty revolves around impending legal claims from several gender critical activists – including former deputy leader Shahrar Ali, who is suing the party over alleged discrimination based on his views about gender and sex.

More in the article.

The Lib Dems should be taking notes.

Green Party At Risk of Going Bust Amid Trans Rights Row Legal Challenge from Former Deputy Leader – Byline Times

The party's accounts suggest there is "significant doubt" about whether it can continue as a "going concern" due to a series of legal challenges.

https://bylinetimes.com/2023/08/29/green-party-at-risk-of-going-bust-amid-trans-rights-row-legal-challenge-from-former-deputy-leader

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JanesLittleGirl · 29/08/2023 22:16

ArabeIIaScott · 29/08/2023 19:41

Well, it's a damn shame what's happened to the Green Party.

Dismantled over genderwhang.

SNP also looking incredibly shoogly these days.

I have never heard shoogly before but if ever a word meant what it sounds like......

P.S. I won't be using it in everyday speech. I would have to explain what it meant to everyone who heard it.

Chersfrozenface · 29/08/2023 22:27

My hope is that this will force ordinary Greens to be a little more aware of whats going on at higher levels, gain a little fury and vote out the idiots so we can get on with focusing on the environment.

Well, they haven't done so up till now, so I won't hold my breath.

Billi80 · 29/08/2023 23:45

No

MidCent · 30/08/2023 00:14

Chersfrozenface · 29/08/2023 22:27

My hope is that this will force ordinary Greens to be a little more aware of whats going on at higher levels, gain a little fury and vote out the idiots so we can get on with focusing on the environment.

Well, they haven't done so up till now, so I won't hold my breath.

Most "ordinary Greens" don't attend conference, don't vote in internal policies and have no idea of the inside battles going on between women and transwomen (men) and their handmaidens (Sian Berry etc).
But those on the inside, I won't name them but they know who they are, are fully aware of this and have aided and abetted the ruin of Green Party women and their allies.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 30/08/2023 01:11

RedToothBrush · 29/08/2023 19:31

If a GE were called, it's going to cause issues for the greens.

Each candidate has to put down a deposit. If they don't get 5% of the vote they lose the deposit. The deposit is £500

There are currently 543 constituencies in England and 32 in Wales. (This may be reduced is the electoral boundaries come in before the GE). That's 575 X 500 or £287,500 to stand in each constituency on top of the normal running costs they are saying they can't afford and before you add in their party political broadcasts and any costs of other promotional material.

This says they simply won't be able to stand in any constituency they are at risk of losing their deposit.

Remember the next GE has to be before end of Jan 2025. So it's now an inevitability imho. They don't have the time to raise that much from their base.

This in itself has ramifications. It's likely to mean there's a 2 - 4% vote share that can't vote green in many constituencies. That will probably go Labour or LD way instead.

However if there is significant cost to the greens for shafting those with gender critical views, the Lads in particular can't afford a similar case. The Labour piggie bank isn't in the best shape either.

The cynic in me wonders whether this is the real reason for the recent labour 'shift in policy' - the legal and financial exposure that twaw brings.

A pressing issue for the SNP too, then?

Lib Dems will be ok, they've got pharmaceutical funding and they've been raking it in with all the puberty blocker sales.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 30/08/2023 01:14

Chersfrozenface · 29/08/2023 22:27

My hope is that this will force ordinary Greens to be a little more aware of whats going on at higher levels, gain a little fury and vote out the idiots so we can get on with focusing on the environment.

Well, they haven't done so up till now, so I won't hold my breath.

I read that as "gain a little furry" and thought "they've got that covered".

There isn't space for apathy in party memberships. If everyone participated even for this election they could oust the idiots easily.

Do we know when the election is likely to be? Presumably the tories will try to push it as far down the road as possible, but no one wants a Christmas election, summer's out, English schools back in September, so that leaves May or October?

Chersfrozenface · 30/08/2023 07:13

..no one wants a Christmas election, summer's out, English schools back in September, so that leaves May or October?

Oddly, or perhaps not, due to the reasons above, October and May/June have been the most common months for general elections since 1935, when the started being held on Thursdays.

TodayInahurry · 30/08/2023 07:25

Good, a party I used to support. But now it has been captured, no longer!

WickedSerious · 30/08/2023 07:26

Oh dear.

What a pity.

Abccde · 30/08/2023 07:30

It would be a shame to see the party go, especially at local level.

However, once the TRAs get a foothold, there is little else, at least at national level ( and some local areas too). It encompasses everything and it's all 'trans rights' but really just misogyny and removing women's boundaries.

LadyMadderLake · 30/08/2023 08:12

Green issues aren’t going away and if the Green Party did wind up there would be a vacuum created for a new environmental political movement that was actually about climate and conservation. It needs a sensible, vocal leader/ figurehead, set of clear science-based green policies (like funding renewables and reorganising the national grid to work with them, and changing city streets to be bike and LEV friendly) and good organisation and it would take off fast.

otoh I think gender ideology is going away, slowly but surely. Reality will out, medical scandal will out and prioritising fetishes and puritanical witch-hunts (weird how this movement does both!) will continue to make people wake up and walk away. It still has a stranglehold on many institutions but I predict once the penny really drops more widely, that will stop as fast as it was so quickly embraced. It will become naff-ola to adhere to it but we’ll still need green politics.

fromorbit · 30/08/2023 08:17

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 30/08/2023 01:14

I read that as "gain a little furry" and thought "they've got that covered".

There isn't space for apathy in party memberships. If everyone participated even for this election they could oust the idiots easily.

Do we know when the election is likely to be? Presumably the tories will try to push it as far down the road as possible, but no one wants a Christmas election, summer's out, English schools back in September, so that leaves May or October?

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The election is most likely May. It would be a huge gamble by the Tories to let the May local elections 2024 happen separately because if the Tories do badly in them Labour would build even more momentum towards an election in summer or autumn.

ChaToilLeam · 30/08/2023 08:18

Their collective jacket is indeed on a shoogly peg. And they have nobody to blame but themselves, a bunch of zealots took control and have steered the party far away from its original remit.

It is a great shame because right now we could use an effective and credible environmentally focused party in politics. But it won’t be them unless things change radically.

Similarly in Germany, the Greens have gone nuts, unfortunately they are part of a ruling coalition that has just pushed through a Self ID law. They may get a shock at the polls next time though.

Beowulfa · 30/08/2023 09:45

If you'd told me in my 20s when I was voting LibDem/Green at national/local level that one day they'd be so obsessed with an unscientific ideology that they could no longer define a woman, I'd have laughed at the absurdity. Or assumed it was a new episode of Brass Eye.

Abhannmor · 30/08/2023 11:54

' It's on a shoogly peg'.

Is that a nautical expression in Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿? I'm a fan of Scots / Lallan , increasingly!

GailBlancheViola · 30/08/2023 12:15

The Greens - Climate Change and the environment - science, science, science

The Greens - Immutability of sex - deny, deny, deny the science.

You really couldn't make it up.

WhereYouLeftIt · 30/08/2023 13:46

Abhannmor · 30/08/2023 11:54

' It's on a shoogly peg'.

Is that a nautical expression in Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿? I'm a fan of Scots / Lallan , increasingly!

Definitely a Scottish expression, one I remember hearing from my older generation many times. The imagery is wonderful. You hang your coat in the hall, unwittingly choosing a shoogly peg, the peg fails when you're in the house and you come back to your coat on the floor, possibly damp and dirty.

'His coat's on a shoogly peg' can mean you're heading for a fall not of your making, or, to use another old phrase, are about to be given your sixpence back and thrown out [of] the club (heading for a fall engineered by others).

popebishop · 30/08/2023 13:51

GailBlancheViola · 30/08/2023 12:15

The Greens - Climate Change and the environment - science, science, science

The Greens - Immutability of sex - deny, deny, deny the science.

You really couldn't make it up.

Wasn't that long ago they were all for homeopathy and pseudo medical woo, so being anti-science isn't a new thing.

I've voted for them in the past once they realised science matters, but they've gone the other way again.

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