NHS Accused of Trying To Erase Women

[PorcelinaV]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12451335/NHS-accused-trying-erase-women-trusts-Rainbow-Badge-scheme-hospitals.html

I stopped asking the patients sex when the forms suddenly asked for gender. It’s my small push back.

This sort of pointless stupidity is not just turning people off trans acceptance, it's taking down all socially just causes - especially the battle against homophobia and racism. All just seen as the left eating itself.
It's also turning people off the NHS. It's a not dissimilar situation to the BBC which I always used to defend so passionately. Supposedly left-wing cliques in an influential position are finally going to destroy both institutions.

I notice Stonewall's "nothing to do with us" disclaimer about effectively writing NHS policy. How can anyone not see this is a scam?

What's wrong with these organisations? So lacking in any kind of strategic confidence that they feel they are compelled to virtue signal.

NHS...you wanna prove you're virtuous and on the side of everyone? Stop victimising whistleblowers when scandals are revealed. Work harder to even the outcomes for PoC, especially black women in maternity

Enough with the empty games of intersectional Top Trumps. Do the job our taxes fund, for everyone with no favour, and earn our respect.

Pay £hundreds of millions to diversity vultures, and witness the backlash in lack of trust and mounting anger.

It's a not dissimilar situation to the BBC which I always used to defend so passionately.

With the BBC, I would far rather they passed over some of their budget to open left wingers, and some of their budget to open right wingers, to make documentaries and news analysis shows.

Trying to be "impartial" when your staff is high middle class and liberal leaning doesn't apparently work.

The Guardian is fine, but you shouldn't be forced to pay for it if you disagree with the values that it promotes.

I really think it's worth highlighting this:

"Stonewall said: 'We do not write these policies ourselves, and the idea that we have the power to 'tell' other organisations what to write in their policies is clearly nonsense.'"

So, Stonewall... organisations up and down the land pay you thousands of pounds per year so that you can give instructions which they then ignore? What is the point of you?!

Except in reality land, said organisations sadly do exactly as you say, to the detriment of 99% of the population.

Came here to see if there was a thread as GB News are about to discuss this .....
The NHS do realise that women locked down for them as well right? And that women were more adversely affected.

Hmm, the Maffia don't technically "make" you do anything either. Just make offers you can't refuse

There is such hysteria and herd mentality in organisations like the NHS, Stonewall are like shepherds, and their slogans and training just appeal to the willing sheep running them.

As to the staff? And the clients?

Agreed @RealityFan. It's all very much "nice corporation/charity/government body you have there, it'd be a shame if something happened to it"

"Stonewall said: 'We do not write these policies ourselves, and the idea that we have the power to 'tell' other organisations what to write in their policies is clearly nonsense.'"

Stonewall have repeatedly been outed for the inappropriate demands they make on institutions.
They criticised Ofsted (who shamefully signed up to their diversity champion con) for failing to discuss trans issues often enough with primary children! Ofsted left the scheme, presumably in embarrassment, after the letters were exposed:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/04/stonewall-raised-concerns-ofsted-inspectors-dont-always-discuss/

Presumably if #nodebate was your mantra & science / fact denial your modus operandi, then truth telling and transparency must be a novelty.

I have questions.

Does the service take any additional action to support trans and nonbinary patient privacy/dignity when attending physically (e.g. timings of clinical slots if a trans male is attending 'breast' clinic?)

What is a trans male? Both women and men can get breast cancer so I’m not sure what the problem is here. And why is “breast” in inverted commas?

Do clinics have gendered names (e.g. 'Women's Health') or are they named for the purpose (e.g. colposcopy)?

Why is it helpful to anyone to use less plain English? This discriminates against at least one other protected characteristic. And are we going to change the name of Liverpool Women’s hospital? If so, to what?

Does the service have sensitive guidance in place to support a noncarrying parent to breast/chest feed?

It’s breastfeeding. If you’re producing milk you’re doing that with your breasts. Humans, both male and female, have breasts. Only female breasts have milk ducts. OK that wasn’t a question.

Did you notice that the clinical staff avoided using gendered language (using partner instead of husband/wife, or parent instead of mother/father)?

FFS. Not assuming marital status is sensible, but not because husband/wife is gendered. That wasn’t a question either.

Are patients routinely asked what their pronouns are e.g. he/she/they/xe?

Has it never occurred to these people that such questions may be bewildering, dehumanising or horribly intrusive, depending who was being asked?

I work in the NHS and am old enough and close enough to retirement to die on this hill if necessary. Fortunately it has not yet infested our service. All conversations about equality have me banging on about disability and old fashioned sex discrimination so nobody forgets there are other protected characteristics to be concerned about.

Well, I can't read that pile of shite aa it's raising my blood pressure to dangerous levels.

What 'rewards' do hospitals get from these clowns - a bit of paper or a badge? What are they - three year olds?

Never mind that they're reducing women to bodily functions and dehumanising us. 😡

As for changing department names, the move had been away from obscure Latin/Greek specialism words like 'phlebotomy' or 'colposcopy' because patients don't understand them. We need words that people, ordinary people, understand easily.

How on earth can we stop this?

I remember watching Monty Python back in the day. Two thoughts went thru my mind. First, this is the funniest thing I ever seen.
Second, Jesus, I hope the real world never resembles this craziness. Because, that would be very unfunny indeed.

My hopes have been failing in the last decade.

'These impractical decrees are usually the brainchild of diversity and inclusion officers, often on salaries twice that of junior doctors, despite the latter having trained for far longer.
But clearly, there is money to burn. All these videos and questionnaires are provided by private companies handsomely remunerated by the NHS. Yet we are paying them to make us less productive.
I am past retirement age, and I don't need to be working. I do because we are really short of doctors. But I'm afraid to say that, when I am forced to sit down in front of yet another diversity and inclusion video, I wonder whether I can stand working in the NHS much longer.

Angus Dalgleish is a professor of oncology at a major London teaching hospital'

Listen to your staff and patients, NHS.

I'm pinning all my hopes on Steve Barclay saying "Well, this is a little weird! Time to fire off a memo to NHS bosses to suggest they maybe alter course".

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/nhs-rainbow-badges-%E2%80%93-play-your-part-promoting-lgbt-inclusion-healthcare

Nowt to do with us mate. Liars.

It's quite a coincidence how often Stonewall has nothing to do with any bullying and laying down of 'the law' to organisations, yet the rest of us can see their ugly big clodhoppers all over the shop.

It boils my blood big time to see this eradication of women. By men. Men in dresses 😡

Does the service have sensitive guidance in place to support a noncarrying parent to breast/chest feed?

This question in particular boiled my piss. NO NHS trust should be wasting it's time and resources supporting a 'noncarrying parent ' to breast feed. Fuck, they don't even support 'carrying parents', or mothers, as the rest of the world call them, to breast feed most of the time. In no way should they be doing anything to help non birth mothers secrete chest fluids or to feed said fluids to babies. Fuck. Off.

"You might have seen NHS Rainbow Badges when accessing health services or your TV screens over the last few years."

Has anyone seen a NHS Rainbow badge when accessing their TV screen recently? Maybe that's why I couldn't find the remote - it was hiding under a rainbow. 🤔

This sort of pointless stupidity is not just turning people off trans acceptance, it's taking down all socially just causes - especially the battle against homophobia and racism. All just seen as the left eating itself.

With LGB family, it’s the rising homophobia that worries me the most. Years of getting on with their lives like everyone and now having been teamed up with the ‘T’ there’s hate for all groups that’s not been seen in decades. Like that poor shop owner in the US shot for having a pride flag apparently. So worrying.

Its misogyny in its purest form and it could be argued that the specific targeting of bio women has shades of pre-genocide about it - the dehumanising, the suggestion that NHS patients' rights over their own bodies are up for grabs in policy and not protected in law, the constant pressing to erode, control and change language, the death threats (hate speech) to anyone that speaks up, the desire to inform views of children even as young as age 5.

Just the fact that there's a specific label assigned to any woman that speaks up - TERF - says it all. I am no longer me if I give my view, I am a TERF.

What's next? A nice big yellow star to go on my coat to identify me as a TERF when I leave the house?

I think it’s worth highlighting that this all started at the Evelina & spread from there. (Please note the comments from your one who thought the NHS Covid!rainbows were pro-LGBT as opposed to, you know, rainbows, symbolic of hope 🤦‍♀️)

Despite pioneering the rainbow badges, GSTT don’t seem to have lost the absolute run of themselves: both sites still have single sex toilets throughout (with no suggestion of them being gender not sex-based iyswim); people use sex-based language to refer to the person accompanying me to appointments (though my poor uncle has been horrified by the suggestion he might be my husband 😶); & nobody has ever requested my pronouns nor my gender ID. To be fair, it’s quite possible even paperwork fears the Paddington Stare that would result…