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Transgender Doctor Whose License was Suspended After Privately Transitioning Minors Given Feminist Achievement Award - Norway

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IwantToRetire · 27/08/2023 20:49

A gender clinician and sexologist who recently had his medical license suspended following an investigation by the Norwegian Health Authority (NHA) has been granted an award named after a prominent Norwegian feminist. Dr. Esben ‘Esther Pirelli’ Benestad, a male who identifies as transgender, was given the Ottesen award by non-profit membership organization Sex og Politikk despite having had his medical license revoked at the start of this year due to “substantial breaches of duty.”

The Ottesen award is the namesake of Norwegian-Swedish women’s rights activist and social worker Elise Ottesen-Jensen, who was involved in the foundation of the International Planned Parenthood Federation (IPPF) in 1953. Benestad, 74, was presented with the award for his career as a “standard-bearer for trans people and transsexuals in Norway and an ambassador for gender and sexuality diversity in Norwegian society,” reported Norwegian outlet Psykologisk.

In January, the NHA handed down a 42-page report detailing the rationale behind their decision to revoke Benestad’s license to practice as a clinician. The health authorities stated that Benestad was declared “unfit to practice responsibly due to a substantial lack of professional insight, irresponsible activity, and substantial breaches of duty.”

“We note that the radical feminist group Ottar, who has deliberately refused to take a stand against the erasure of women’s sex-based rights, continue to stay silent even as trans activists appropriate and pervert historical figures such as Elise Ottesen ‘Ottar’ Jensen,” Ellingsen said.

“We find this lack of reaction very telling, as it exemplifies the reach of conformity to trans ideology. Many women have found priceless insights in radical feminist thinkers and activism for the liberation of women from patriarchy, objectification and exploitation. Unfortunately, too many radical feminist organizations ignore the patriarchy, objectification and exploitation conducted by men doing woman-face, such as Benestad. It is a shame.”

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NORWAY: Transgender Doctor Whose License was Suspended After Privately Transitioning Minors Given Feminist Achievement Award - Reduxx

A gender clinician and sexologist who recently had his medical license suspended following an investigation by the Norwegian Health Authority (NHA) has been granted an award named after a prominent Norwegian feminist. Dr. Esben ‘Esther Pirelli’ Benesta...

https://reduxx.info/norway-doctor-whose-license-was-suspended-after-privately-transitioning-minors-given-feminist-achievement-award

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Villagetoraiseachild · 27/08/2023 20:58

Mother of God....

LizzieSiddal · 27/08/2023 21:06

What the actual fuck.

PatatiPatatras · 27/08/2023 21:13

😱

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/08/2023 23:14

I believe one of our own dodgy doctors has been nominated for some TV award by the clueless?

IwantToRetire · 28/08/2023 00:33

one of our own dodgy doctors has been nominated for some TV award

Yes - but takes on a whole new dimension when the award is (was) a specifically feminist award

Its bad enough that men want to invade anything that women create, but worse when they are enabled by other women - some claiming they are feminist.

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PriOn1 · 28/08/2023 04:41

Norway is very deeply captured. Many feminist organizations around the world have been targeted and infiltrated, so that this is ostensibly a feminist organization, while being very much anti-women is no surprise. There is some fight back by Norwegian feminists, but it sounds like that organization and prize is full on “queer”.

This from the article:
“Prisen tildeles en person eller organisasjon som i dagens Norge har valgt å heise flagget for et sexpositivt, inkluderende og normkritisk samfunn, melder organisasjonen.”

…roughly translates as…

The prize is awarded to a person or organization that in today's Norway has chosen to raise the flag for a sex-positive, inclusive and norm-critical society, the organization reports.

Sounds like the winner fully fits the bill.

Delphinium20 · 28/08/2023 06:26

This is utterly absurd and depressing. Awards like this harm women not just in Norway but in every corner of the globe. If women's rights in Norway are silenced...

PatatiPatatras · 28/08/2023 09:12

Lol at norm-critical.

Did anyone stop to think what it meant?
We've fought for years to make lesbianism "normal". To make the lgb normal.
Anti-norm would mean lesbians are included in the culture they are railing against.

It's like they are stuck in the 50s.

DOBARDAN · 28/08/2023 21:16

Makes you want to weep

IwantToRetire · 29/08/2023 00:03

to raise the flag for a sex-positive, inclusive and norm-critical society

Which feminism is this a description of?

Bonkers.

So now not only does the word woman not mean woman but feminism is now about everything and everybody but not about women?

Have I got that right?

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PlanetJanette · 29/08/2023 06:49

IwantToRetire · 29/08/2023 00:03

to raise the flag for a sex-positive, inclusive and norm-critical society

Which feminism is this a description of?

Bonkers.

So now not only does the word woman not mean woman but feminism is now about everything and everybody but not about women?

Have I got that right?

Can you point out where the award claims to be a feminist award?

IwantToRetire · 29/08/2023 16:24

Can you point out where the award claims to be a feminist award?

Have you read the OP?

In which case you will see there is a web link.

And if you look at the extract published from that link in the OP you will see the title of the article.

And if you read that title you will see the word feminist appears.

And if you bothered to actually read the article you will see that most of it is about the origins of the award and the reaction of feminists groups to it being awarded to someone who have done nothing for feminism.

(Its a bit weird to come on a thread and post a comment that clearly shows you haven't even engaged with the content of the OP and the resulting comments. Why would you do that to yourself?)

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SinnerBoy · 29/08/2023 17:04

PlanetJanette · Today 06:49

It's in the headline, so you don't even need to fag yourself by clicking on the link to the article.

PlanetJanette · 29/08/2023 20:01

IwantToRetire · 29/08/2023 16:24

Can you point out where the award claims to be a feminist award?

Have you read the OP?

In which case you will see there is a web link.

And if you look at the extract published from that link in the OP you will see the title of the article.

And if you read that title you will see the word feminist appears.

And if you bothered to actually read the article you will see that most of it is about the origins of the award and the reaction of feminists groups to it being awarded to someone who have done nothing for feminism.

(Its a bit weird to come on a thread and post a comment that clearly shows you haven't even engaged with the content of the OP and the resulting comments. Why would you do that to yourself?)

On the contrary, it sounds like you haven't engaged in the substance.

Firstly, no, I don't think a Reduxx headline proves anything other than that Reduxx made a claim.

Secondly, when you click through to the actual primary sources of the information, you'll see that this is not an award that is specifically billed as a 'feminist' award, but is based on contribution to a 'sex-positive, inclusive and norm-critical society'.

You might not think that contribution is worth celebrating, or might think the recipient isn't worthy of such a description. But claiming that the award is claimed to be a feminist award ignores the actual originators of the award, who make no such claim.

PlanetJanette · 29/08/2023 20:04

SinnerBoy · 29/08/2023 17:04

PlanetJanette · Today 06:49

It's in the headline, so you don't even need to fag yourself by clicking on the link to the article.

Do you see any problems in relying on a headline to form a definitive view about a matter?

Journalists famously complain about the headlines generated by headline editors not matching the content of the article. And that's in reputable media outlets. Get down to the dregs of the likes of the Daily Mail, and the headline rarely offers a fully accurate picture. As for the likes of Reduxx, that is even less reliable.

As per previous post, Reduxx might claim this award is billed as a 'feminist award', but it is not. The originators of the award at no point in their own material - which is what is relevant for the origins of the award - claim it to be a 'feminist' award.

IwantToRetire · 29/08/2023 20:23

I am beginning to think this is a wind up.

But just one more go.

The award was created and named after a woman famous for campaigning for the rights of women.

The quote for why the award was given this time was to illustrate how far from those values the award has strayed.

And because it has clearly not been awarded for anything feminist, feminist groups are querying why it was given.

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JanesLittleGirl · 29/08/2023 21:52

PlanetJanette · 29/08/2023 20:04

Do you see any problems in relying on a headline to form a definitive view about a matter?

Journalists famously complain about the headlines generated by headline editors not matching the content of the article. And that's in reputable media outlets. Get down to the dregs of the likes of the Daily Mail, and the headline rarely offers a fully accurate picture. As for the likes of Reduxx, that is even less reliable.

As per previous post, Reduxx might claim this award is billed as a 'feminist award', but it is not. The originators of the award at no point in their own material - which is what is relevant for the origins of the award - claim it to be a 'feminist' award.

Given that Elise Ottsesen is consistently described as a feminist, do we need to meet 'balance of probability' or do you need (as usual) 'beyond all reasonable doubt'?

nepeta · 30/08/2023 05:43

"Sex-positive, inclusive and norm-critical" certainly benefits those men who wish to have access to lots of sex, who wish to play their kinks in public and who wish to disregard social norms about, say, the age of consent.

Or so I think. To what extent other groups might benefit from those three terms depends enormously how they are defined, who is allowed to have agency, and what inclusiveness actually would mean (it's not necessarily at all egalitarian as we have all recently learned and sometimes it's not even inclusive if true inclusion depends on some separate categories and spaces).

TakeMe2Insanity · 30/08/2023 05:46

WTH

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