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Caroline Nokes says it's 'depressing' to regard men as dangerous

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ArabeIIaScott · 27/08/2023 13:11

“It’s a wholly depressing state of affairs that we regard people who are born as biologically male as dangerous.” Caroline Nokes, Chair of the Women and Equalities Committee, voices her support for the Women’s Institute’s decision to allow trans women to join.

https://twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1648240070602936321

How did this woman get into the position she's in? She's just ... she's not bright enough to be a politician, I'm sorry.

https://twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1648240070602936321

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Boomboom22 · 27/08/2023 13:13

I don't know how she keeps her position tbh. Extremist and dim.

334bu · 27/08/2023 13:14

Very disappointing.

TeenDivided · 27/08/2023 13:15

My MP. Sad

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 27/08/2023 13:17

Say what?!

RealityFan · 27/08/2023 13:19

Fucking hell. I'm as mild mannered a man as anyone's likely to meet, even I know my dark side, and what me and my compatriots represent.

Yes, Harold Shipman one side, Lucy Letby on the other.

But across the whole swathe of men and women, over history, there's no comparison.

Just one other thing. Men are men. Women are women. Just leave women the fuck alone.
Even if men weren't an absolute or relative risk, just leave women to their desires to bond seperately.

This is a Tottenham Hotspurs FC household. We do not want Arsenal fans to just waltz in. Only if we invite them (hugely unlikely).

We can give Gunners fans the middle finger. But women can't do the same to men...work that one out.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/08/2023 13:22

Presumably Caroline is unable to read statistics and data? A bit of an obstacle for an elected MP.

Ineedanewsunhat · 27/08/2023 13:24

I find it depressing that someone that stupid is an MP.

Snowypeaks · 27/08/2023 13:29

Ineedanewsunhat · 27/08/2023 13:24

I find it depressing that someone that stupid is an MP.

Same here.

It beggars belief that she can have got to the age she has reached, let alone the high office, while maintaining such a degree of naivety.

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ArabeIIaScott · 27/08/2023 13:32

Ineedanewsunhat · 27/08/2023 13:24

I find it depressing that someone that stupid is an MP.

Yes, you've hit the nail on the head. I don't want to disparage her, but someone with power - the head of the WESC has power - and this standard of thinking ability is actually dangerous.

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fdgdfgdfgdfg · 27/08/2023 13:36

I mean, she's not wrong, it is depressing as fuck, but probably not for the reasons she's insinuating.

FroodwithaKaren · 27/08/2023 13:36

Oh for the privileged ignorance and naivety of that MP, and to live in such an ivory tower that this is all she can find to be 'depressed' about.

RealityFan · 27/08/2023 13:37

Isn't Noakes the type to say in the next interview that the issues of racism, homophobia, transphobia, sexism, effects of slavery long term etc, are the fault of, now who is it, er, who did she say, um, is it, could it be, yes it is...men.

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ArabeIIaScott · 27/08/2023 13:37

She has done a bit of good work for the Pony Society, I believe.

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FrancescaContini · 27/08/2023 13:39

Completely disingenuous/faux naive. Where has she spent her life - in a convent?

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ArabeIIaScott · 27/08/2023 13:39

'In May 2021, alongside celebrities and other public figures, Nokes was a signatory to an open letter from Stylist magazine which called on the government to address what it described as an "epidemic of male violence" by funding an "ongoing, high-profile, expert-informed awareness campaign on men’s violence against women and girls"'

https://www.stylist.co.uk/health/women/open-letter-priti-patel-violence-women-girls/520846

Stylist (magazine) - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stylist_(magazine)

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RealityFan · 27/08/2023 13:40

ArabeIIaScott · 27/08/2023 13:37

She has done a bit of good work for the Pony Society, I believe.

Don't you mean, what a load of old pony.

FrancescaContini · 27/08/2023 13:40

Oh. So she DOES get it.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 27/08/2023 13:42

dear caroline, so dense light bends around her 🙄

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ArabeIIaScott · 27/08/2023 13:43

I guess the only way she can square this is if she genuinely believes that a man who declares himself to be a woman is magically transformed into a not-man.

Her pal Jamie Wallis presumably has illustrated this process by growing his hair.

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Stillabitbroken · 27/08/2023 13:44

Snowypeaks · 27/08/2023 13:29

Same here.

It beggars belief that she can have got to the age she has reached, let alone the high office, while maintaining such a degree of naivety.

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Actually I don't think it's naivety- I think it's all calculated. She knows that view will win her votes and she just doesn't really care about the issue. She used to be my MP too. When she was seeking election I remember her talking about attending the church I went to. I have never seen her there.

Apparently she likes going for runs around the local countryside. I would really like to know whether she reacts in exactly the same way to a lone man approaching her when out on her owasat night as to a woman. I really doubt it.

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ArabeIIaScott · 27/08/2023 13:45

Calculated? But to whom does she think she's appealing?

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Stillabitbroken · 27/08/2023 13:46

ArabeIIaScott · 27/08/2023 13:45

Calculated? But to whom does she think she's appealing?

Men!

Helleofabore · 27/08/2023 13:46

Remarkable. Really remarkable. Lucky she is nothing to do with making policy for women.

notsurewherenotsurewhy · 27/08/2023 13:47

It is, of course, a position which becomes necessary to those who have committed to the 'open up our toilets, changing rooms, refuges, social groups and sports competitions on the basis of self-ID' statement of faith.

If you believe people are who they say they are, #nodebate, you have to also believe that classes of people can't be meaningfully characterised, that we can't point to their statistics or their behaviours in the aggregate, or their shared social experience.

It was the circle I couldn't square when I was trying to be a trans-inclusive feminist. I think it's symptomatic also of wanting to be seen to be 'on the right side', rather than wanting to speak with integrity.

donquixotedelamancha · 27/08/2023 13:49

How did this woman get into the position she's in?

Parents are wealthy and connected. Dad was an MEP. Went straight to work for daddy after uni, then on to well paid charity work and being a county councillor.

I don't know how she keeps her position tbh. Extremist and dim.

I think you literally described the first two KPRs on the Tory MP recruitment policy for the last decade.