I’m not just gay, I mean, I’m a proper dyke. I wear three-piece suits and ties … Baroness Ruth Hunt

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With reactionary stereotypical ideas like that is it any wonder that Ruth Hunt let lesbian and gay issues at Stonewal be over run by trans rights. With "friends" like this who need enemies.

“Part of what this House values is that deep expertise, so I feel that’s something I should deploy.”

This came to the forefront earlier this year after the UK government attempted an order under section 35 of the Scotland Act 1998 preventing the Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill from proceeding to Royal Assent. “We were able to get a briefing out to allies on that very, very quickly and help different people across all Houses. Being a crossbencher means I work assiduously with every single side, really helping people understand the facts, not telling them what to conclude about those facts. It was so complicated and needed quick translation.”

The topic at the top of her list moving forward is surrogacy. “It’s going to be a big theme for me because the Law Commission has recommended reform of surrogacy law, and that hasn’t been picked up here yet. It needs to be, really. That will have a huge impact on lots of gay men who are wanting to start families. So that’s on my mind.”

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/baroness-ruth-hunt-quitting-stonewall-131554098.html

I cant think of anything sadder than a lesbian who thinks she has to prove her sexuality by adopting the costume of her and other women's oppressors - men.

But with these socially reactionary ideas no wonder she fits into the HoL. The public school boys must be thrilled.

Interesting. Hunt and her partner worked together at Stonewall before they became a couple. Hunt’s partner left Stonewall in 2016 as it wasn’t appropriate for them to be in an intimate relationship as work colleagues. Hunt then left Stonewall in 2019 so she could work with her partner in the company she’d set up.

“Caroline subsequently set up Deeds and Words as a sole practitioner, with Hunt joining after leaving Stonewall. Together they work to build inclusive cultures within some of the UK’s biggest organisations.”

“Our day together is set to involve an afternoon immersed in the Lords, alongside a meeting with Hunt and partner Caroline Ellis’s company Deeds and Words, which today sees them talking “values” with the London Fire Brigade’s communications team.”

“This work is kept separate from her contributions in the House of Lords, but she says the two roles complement each other nicely.”

Her next mission will be making the reproductive exploitation of women easier, in support of gay men.

“The topic at the top of her list moving forward is surrogacy. “It’s going to be a big theme for me because the Law Commission has recommended reform of surrogacy law, and that hasn’t been picked up here yet. It needs to be, really. That will have a huge impact on lots of gay men who are wanting to start families. So that’s on my mind.””

She’ll promote herself to the influential but uninformed as someone who is an informed and impartial expert on complex matters and who can give them a quick and easy interpretation to take away with them.

“It makes sense that she sees in-person conversations as vital to developing her work in the Lords. Through “safe and non-judgemental” discussions with her peers, she can get people “in the right place at the right time, at the right moment”. She sees one of her key roles as being a convener of people “who want to do something about this stuff but don’t have time to understand it”. “

That will have a huge impact on lots of gay men who are wanting to start families.

Why do gay men need surrogacy to have babies? Can't the female gay men couple up with the male ones?

Is there a lot of background here that I'm missing? Any woman is allowed to wear whatever she wants, even if those clothes at one point were traditionally worn by their "oppressors" (men). And without being too "NAMALT", the vast majority of people wearing 3 piece suits are not oppressing women.

And a woman who has almost certainly been harassed and/or abused throughout her life for being a "dyke" has every right to reclaim that word about herself.

Nancy Kelley also said anti-trans rhetoric increased post-Brexit. Maybe that’s the Stonewall line.

Hmm. Women (including lesbians) have the right to wear whatever clothes we choose. Why are you criticising a woman for what she wears OP? Many lesbians used to be "suited and booted" wearing suits & ties or in dungarees and Doc Martins back in the 70s / 80s / 90s.

Challenge her politics and views by all means but saying it "I cant think of anything sadder than a lesbian who thinks she has to prove her sexuality by adopting the costume of her and other women's oppressors - men" demonstrates a disrespect for lesbian history and culture and a depressingly narrow view of women's rights to dress as we choose.

She's full of shite.

@Ameanstreakamilewide so just say that then, don't lead with her wearing "the clothes of her oppressors" as her biggest crime!

I don't give a damn about what she wears, or what twaddle she comes out with to justify her place in the Lords.

But, i do know that she's a steaming great hypocrite of the highest order and talks bollocks.

What she said about adding the T to the LGB, and how she knew that lesbians would 'lose out', but she did it anyway (for money, let's be honest), was scandalous.
A lesbian shilling for AGPs...

How come in young female children, wanting to wear 'boys clothes' is a sign of 'being trans' and fast-tracked into medication and surgery, yet this woman dressed as a man isn't?

And I cant understand how any body who cares about lesbians rights would have somebody claiming to represent lesbains characterise being a "proper" lesbian by what your wear.

Obviously women (and men!) should be free to dress how they like. That is breaking down the gender stereo types. And has FA to do with sexuality. Anymore than saying trans is the same as being homosexual or lesbians. But a further illustration of how reactionary the Stonewall agenda is.

To be so crass (and lets hope it was a joke) as to fall into the butch femme stereo types is a grotesque insult to all the lesbian feminsts who fought against yet another male stereotyping.

Being a lesbian is about being sexually attracted to other biological women. And has nothing to do with what you wear, anymore than gay men be tarnished as rubber fetishists.

But explains why she fits in with hierarchical structures. That's why I said all the posh boys must love her. Heaven forbid that two women could be attracted to each other without one of them adopting a "male" role as symbolised by stereotypical clothing.

Yet another part of feminist analysis being erased.

And I am amazed that the response to this one comment has been on such a superficial level.

But also, given that I quoted the more substantial issue of her abusing her position in the HoL to promote the male agenda is so predictable, sad that this has not cause as much concern.

Just to repeat. Being lesbian has nothing to do with what you wear.

It’s not about a “male” role, dress can be part of a lesbian culture that’s nothing to do with men - exactly the opposite in fact - calling it male is taking away lesbians’ agency to create things of their own that people outside of it probably don’t see or understand. Having said that, there are issues about what you have to look like to fit in in all cultures that aren’t always helpful and can exclude people. I think things have changed quite a lot though it’s difficult to tell with so many lesbian spaces taken away. And in any case that’s not necessarily a good thing if young lesbians are being pressured into beauty standards that they previously resisted.

It’s an interesting point as I thought butch or gender non-conforming women were saying no to femininity and beauty standards and were challenging all these stereotypes etc. I just maybe naively assumed that meant they were feminists and supported women etc, I had no idea they could be so misogynistic.

She’s irredeemably awful and set women’s and gay rights back decades.

"Proper dyke" isn't at all the same as "proper lesbian".

I think it’s mostly straight women on here (I could be wrong) so perhaps not the best source for advice.

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And I cant understand how any body who cares about lesbians rights would have somebody claiming to represent lesbains characterise being a "proper" lesbian by what your wear.

Except Ruth Hunt & Stonewall don’t give a flying fuck about lesbian rights, & I say that as a lesbian who volunteered for Stonewall when Ben Summerskill was in charge.

Ruth Hunt made her priorities very clear when she turned Stonewall into a trans rights organisation, and put male access to female spaces above the rights of women, including lesbian & bi women.

This is the woman who said it didn’t matter if women’s toilets were safe for women or not, because ‘women are always going to get raped’.

I have no respect for anything that traitor says.

Having said that, I don’t see any reason women can’t wear suits & ties if they want to.

Just pointing out this is an old thread. Not quite zombie but definitely not the freshest.

Her politics sound crap, but I'm partial to a bit of sharp tailoring myself, and I think her claim to be 'a proper dyke' is a light-hearted reference to a certain sartorial style that plays around with gender stereotypes, not a definition of how all lesbians do, or should, present themselves.
(Exit left, adjusting bow-tie and slicking down hair, accompanied by 'Every girl's crazy 'bout a sharp dressed man' by ZZ Top😁)

grrr. Zombie.

I know, sorry. I detest that woman so much for what she did to lesbians that I couldn’t pass up the chance to say so.

The re animator seems to be nipping around re animating a number for no apparent reason.

5 months it took them to come up with that!