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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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PatatiPatatras · 21/08/2023 15:46

Is it fiction or a documentary?

LisaVanderpump1 · 21/08/2023 15:57

I've been really enjoying this (well, as much as you can enjoy something that's so heavy). It blows my mind that the attitude to women's pain is so dismissive.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 21/08/2023 20:45

PatatiPatatras · 21/08/2023 15:46

Is it fiction or a documentary?

Real, horrific incident. I haven't listened to the podcast, but I have read about this.

The anesthetic the patients were given was actually saline solution, because a nurse had been stealing the medication. Obviously, the procedures were agonising, and no-one took any notice of the patients reporting that.

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/yale-fertility-center-fentanyl-swapped-for-salt-water-donna-monticone/

Connecticut Nurse Faces Up To 5 Years In Jail After Admitting To Removing Opioid Painkiller From Vials Of Infertility Treatment Patients

The incident happened in mid 2020 at the Yale Fertility Center in New Haven.

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/yale-fertility-center-fentanyl-swapped-for-salt-water-donna-monticone

Soontobe60 · 21/08/2023 20:46

I found it fascinating!

FannyCann · 21/08/2023 21:52

Appalling case, I feel so sorry for those women. Egg retrieval without analgesia must be appallingly painful. Add in the themes of ignoring women's pain and downplaying the seriousness of their experience. They must be so traumatised.

Yale behaved appallingly, management cover ups/failure to take responsibility aren't confined to the NHS.

I don't know what the rules and systems around use of opiates, drugs that are controlled drugs in the U.K. , are in the USA, I expect it varies from one state to another for a start. It appeared that the fentanyl was supplied in ampoules like some we have for other IV drugs, with a rubber bung that the needle is passed through, often for multiple patient use, which has a sealed plastic top on when new. This was how suspicions were raised, when an anaesthetist noticed the plastic tops were loose.

Fentanyl (in my corner of the NHS) is in glass vials, so it couldn't be readily replaced with saline in that way. Although if there were sloppy systems, eg two nurses checking the drug but one getting on with other work whilst the first administers the drug, possibly in a different location to where the drugs are stored and drawn up, it would be possible to swap the syringe for one prepared earlier containing saline only.

Sadly drug addiction and misappropriation of controlled drugs does happen, we have had an instance in my hospital earlier this year, a junior anaesthetist was found to be the culprit. At least they were simply misappropriating the drug, not substituting it for something else.

PatatiPatatras · 21/08/2023 22:57

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 21/08/2023 20:45

Real, horrific incident. I haven't listened to the podcast, but I have read about this.

The anesthetic the patients were given was actually saline solution, because a nurse had been stealing the medication. Obviously, the procedures were agonising, and no-one took any notice of the patients reporting that.

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/yale-fertility-center-fentanyl-swapped-for-salt-water-donna-monticone/

😱
Say what now?
Only 5 years for inflicting that amount of pain on people! And it's real?

Sorry. No. I can't listen to that. The second hand pain is already unbearable. Those poor women!

NorthFaceofthelaundrypile · 21/08/2023 23:11

I’ve just been listening to this today and her final sentence was four weekends in jail on alternate weekends, to fit in with her childcare arrangements.

vipersnest1 · 21/08/2023 23:20

I'm not surprised, and also, sadly, not surprised at all that the women involved didn't initially get their pain recognised.
I have a flexi-sig (similar to a colonoscopy) last year. It was horrific - no sedation and gas and air was useless - and I wrote a letter of complaint - I got a reply from the doctor butcher concerned, re-affirming that in his view my pain was a score of two. For me, it was a 10 (if you're interested, it's highly likely I have scarring from endometriosis and the two gynae operations I've had). I'll never forget it, or forgive it.
It appears that health services in several countries need to be looked at more closely.

FannyCann · 22/08/2023 06:55

Gosh, poor you @vipersnest1
I had a colonoscopy and was asked if I wanted sedation - of course I did, I'm not a fan of people poking up my bum. Drifted straight off and woke up when it was all over. Didn't know a thing about it.
Terrible if some places are not offering this.
I think a sigmoidoscopy would be more painful due to having to go further up the bowel so probably requires a higher dose.

teawamutu · 22/08/2023 09:07

NorthFaceofthelaundrypile · 21/08/2023 23:11

I’ve just been listening to this today and her final sentence was four weekends in jail on alternate weekends, to fit in with her childcare arrangements.

Did you get to the bit where SHE GOT HER FUCKING NURSING LICENCE BACK?!?!

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PatatiPatatras · 23/08/2023 04:46

What sob story could possibly have warranted her getting her license back? I just can't listen to the podcast. It sounds horrific.

pickledandpuzzled · 23/08/2023 06:48

Can she be blamed for the procedures continuing without pain relief? I find it extraordinary that they went ahead, perhaps she didn't expect it either.

Obviously a drug addict stealing drugs...

teawamutu · 23/08/2023 16:17

pickledandpuzzled · 23/08/2023 06:48

Can she be blamed for the procedures continuing without pain relief? I find it extraordinary that they went ahead, perhaps she didn't expect it either.

Obviously a drug addict stealing drugs...

Maybe she did expect they'd stop, maybe she didn't but the women thought they were getting drugs, and they were getting salt water and agony.

That is 100% and only on her. The women interviewed did talk about the pressure to continue - only funds for one more shot, collection has to happen today, do you want a baby or not?

So yes, I blame her.

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gallbladderwoe · 23/08/2023 17:05

Shocking. Surely if multiple patients are experiencing pain when something is supposed to be painless, any doctor worth their salt wonders why? Equally if you are in pain for any procedure when you are not supposed to be in pain, you have a right to call a halt which a doctor should respect or they are committing assault.

IVFgothope · 23/11/2023 12:17

I'm a bit late to this but just finished the podcast and I'm deeply saddened and angered by it.

@teawamutu I totally agree with you. The egg collection has to happen not just that day but as soon after the scheduled time as otherwise women loose all their mature eggs. These women will have been on hormone injections for weeks to work towards the egg collection which is precisely timed after a 'trigger' injection. The nurse was a fertility patient herself and fully aware of how difficult this is; so yes I blame her too and I'm shocked that she got off so lightly.

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