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Almut Gadow v Open University (again)

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Signalbox · 18/08/2023 11:20

Obviously I can't link to the crowdfund but this is the text and google is your friend :)

My name is Almut Gadow. For almost 10 years, I taught law at the Open University. I was dismissed for questioning new requirements to indoctrinate students in gender identity theory, in ways which, I felt, distorted equality law and normalised child sexual exploitation.
I am bringing an employment tribunal claim arguing that I was harassed, discriminated against, and unfairly dismissed because I reject gender ideology and believe in academic freedom, and that this breached human rights protections for academic free expression.
Who am I?
I grew up in a family of thought criminals. My grandfather was an undergraduate when the Nazis cleansed academia of wrongthinkers and their ideas. Rather than continue at an ideologically compliant university, he completed his studies at an illicit underground institution. He was then repeatedly tried for speech crimes and eventually sentenced to death by hanging ‘for destructive behaviour through statements in sermons and in dealing with [Nazi] party material’.
I see free speech as a distinguishing feature between democracy and totalitarianism, not a battleground between left and right. My family has seen both German dictatorships, the fascist and the socialist, right and left, suppress speech and purge academia of dissent and dissenters. I hope my daughter can one day go to a university that does not eliminate wrongthink(ers).
My story
In 2021/22 the Open University’s Equality, Diversity and Inclusion department announced plans to incorporate its political ideologies into ‘all current curriculum’. The law degree on which I taught was redesigned around a ‘core theme’ of ‘liberating the curriculum’, reflecting these ideologies.
Criminal law tutors were told that, to ‘liberate the curriculum’, our classes now had to introduce diverse gender identities and teach students to use offenders’ preferred pronouns. I questioned if incorporating gender identity theory might be an unnecessary distraction or even unwise. I described gender theory as hotly contested, and as recently developed in wealthy Western countries. I pointed out that (not) believing in gender identity is a protected religious or philosophical belief under the Equality Act 2010, and said law tutorials are no place to promote one's beliefs.
I also highlighted some of the implications of describing offenders according to self-identified gender in our work. I said a criminal lawyer’s role is to present facts, that sex is a relevant fact for offences involving perpetrators’ and/or victims’ bodies, and that no offender should be allowed to dictate the language of his case in a way which masks relevant facts. I said an assailant’s language about himself and his offence should not automatically be adopted over his victim’s, and that lawyers and courts sometimes need to describe offenders in terms with which the latter might not agree – calling the innocent-identifying perpetrator ‘guilty’, or the trans-identifying male ‘he’.
When I raised these questions, in an online forum for law tutors to discuss what they teach, management had no answers. Months later, they were cited as reasons for my dismissal. Managers spuriously alleged that my ‘unreasonable questions’ had created an environment which ‘isn’t inclusive, trans-friendly or respectful’, thus violating the transgender staff policy and codes of conduct. In fact, I had broken no lawful rule by probing the academic soundness of what I was expected to teach.
I further incurred the wrath of the curriculum liberators when I asked them to define their key concepts such as ‘LGBTQ+’. It had become apparent to me that some treated ‘minor attraction’ (i.e. paedophilia) as part of the ‘diverse sexualities and gender identities’ Open University law teaching now seeks to ‘centre’. The criminal law module culminated in an assignment in which students had to discuss a relationship between an adult and a minor. Students would gain marks by describing child and adult as each other’s ‘boyfriends’, but lose marks if they considered whether the adult was grooming the child or committing a sexual offence.
My request for clarification was spuriously described as further misconduct. Curriculum liberators complained that it had made them feel undermined, harassed, bullied and reputationally damaged. In fact, asking colleagues to explain core concepts of their output is just part of everyday academic work, but curriculum liberators were unable to do so here.
My legal case
Assisted at no cost by the Free Speech Union, I am launching a legal claim in the Employment Tribunal. I am arguing that I have been unfairly dismissed, harassed, and discriminated against because I reject gender ideology and believe in academic freedom. My case raises complex points of human rights, academic freedom, free expression and equality law.
‘Academic free expression’ is at the heart of my tribunal case. This concept, set out in a string of judgments of the European Court of Human Rights, encapsulates how article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights protects academic freedom – not least by prohibiting universities from penalising academics for questioning our institutions or curricula. UK courts have yet to properly consider ECtHR case law on academic free expression. In seeking judicial guidance on this from an English employment tribunal, my case can hopefully entrench these protections in domestic law.
I will also argue that valuing academic freedom is, in itself, a protected belief under the Equality Act. Establishing this in law could protect many other academics whose careers are threatened by the rising tide of intolerance on UK campuses.
Why I need your help
I am crowdfunding to support my employment tribunal claim against the Open University. Akua Reindorf KC, whose name has become almost synonymous with her ground-breaking work on the academic freedom of gender critical academics, will represent me in the tribunal. However, a legal challenge of this type requires an enormous amount of work, which needs to be funded.
The likely total cost of funding this claim up to trial will be around £250,000. Rather than raise the full amount now, I will ‘stretch’ the target as the claim proceeds. This will allow me to provide accurate cost estimates, and will avoid raising more money than I need in order to fund the claim.
Although litigation can be unpredictable, I plan to raise funds at three milestones:

  • Milestone one: £70,000 to cover the cost of the preliminary hearing, disclosure of documents and preparation of a trial bundle.
  • Milestone two: £90,000 covering the drafting of witness statements, potential applications to the Tribunal and for contingency costs in the run-up to trial.
  • Milestone three: £90,000 for the cost of trial including preparation.
All figures include VAT and estimated counsel’s fees. Once the initial target is met, funds raised will be transferred to the Free Speech Union which will hold the money in trust for the payment of fees as they arise. Any unused funds will be returned to CrowdJustice in accordance with its terms. I will update this page throughout to inform you of the progress of my case. If you can, please consider donating, or sharing this page.
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Astoufo · 21/08/2023 13:20

OldCrone · 21/08/2023 13:03

I don’t know what the tuition guidance said or what interactions she had with the module team.

It's on her crowdfunder page and also in the OP.

Students would gain marks by describing child and adult as each other’s ‘boyfriends’, but lose marks if they considered whether the adult was grooming the child or committing a sexual offence.

My request for clarification was spuriously described as further misconduct. Curriculum liberators complained that it had made them feel undermined, harassed, bullied and reputationally damaged. In fact, asking colleagues to explain core concepts of their output is just part of everyday academic work, but curriculum liberators were unable to do so here.

I mean you would be penalised for answering a question about assault liability with a lot of speculation about grooming, because you wouldn’t have answered with the right law to get the marks.

Really? Surely the circumstances are important. If the person who committed the assault was a victim of grooming or coercive control then wouldn't that be relevant?

Sorry I meant I can’t independently verify what the tuition guidance said, like I can with the course material and assessment.

So let’s take what Almut says here

“Students would gain marks by describing child and adult as each other’s ‘boyfriends’, but lose marks if they considered whether the adult was grooming the child or committing a sexual offence.”

As I explained, the assessment actually describes a relationship between a 17 year old and another man. So this should read:

“Students would gain marks by describing two men in a relationship as each others’ boyfriends but lose marks if they considered that two adult men in a relationship were committing a sexual offence or if the older man was grooming the younger man”

The only bit of that I can see as being reasonably objected to is grooming, as 17 is still young. Even so, if it’s not what the question is asking about then it would be reasonable for the marking scheme to reflect that and for the course team to steer tutors and students away from taking that angle.

If I had a tutor who kept accusing me of being a pedophile apologist based on having an included a 17 year old in an assessment, then I might also feel a bit bullied tbh! It’s clear there’s been a lot of conflict and it could well have been dealt with very badly. But that’s light years away from the what’s being presented in her crowd funder.

OldCrone · 21/08/2023 13:25

Sorry I meant I can’t independently verify what the tuition guidance said, like I can with the course material and assessment.

And none of us can independently verify what you're saying. Can you post some screenshots of the course material?

You seem very keen to discredit her. Is there a reason for this?

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 21/08/2023 13:30

Astoufo · 21/08/2023 13:20

Sorry I meant I can’t independently verify what the tuition guidance said, like I can with the course material and assessment.

So let’s take what Almut says here

“Students would gain marks by describing child and adult as each other’s ‘boyfriends’, but lose marks if they considered whether the adult was grooming the child or committing a sexual offence.”

As I explained, the assessment actually describes a relationship between a 17 year old and another man. So this should read:

“Students would gain marks by describing two men in a relationship as each others’ boyfriends but lose marks if they considered that two adult men in a relationship were committing a sexual offence or if the older man was grooming the younger man”

The only bit of that I can see as being reasonably objected to is grooming, as 17 is still young. Even so, if it’s not what the question is asking about then it would be reasonable for the marking scheme to reflect that and for the course team to steer tutors and students away from taking that angle.

If I had a tutor who kept accusing me of being a pedophile apologist based on having an included a 17 year old in an assessment, then I might also feel a bit bullied tbh! It’s clear there’s been a lot of conflict and it could well have been dealt with very badly. But that’s light years away from the what’s being presented in her crowd funder.

Are 17 year olds ‘men’? I don’t think they are.

Men are adult human males and adulthood in the U.K. begins at 18.

CriticalCondition · 21/08/2023 13:32

I wouldn’t trust her account now without more evidence.

The evidence will be put before the tribunal who will decide. That's the point. That's what I'm happy to contribute to. She is engaging the very best lawyers in the business on this. I trust them to know whether she's got a case, thanks. Not somebody who is happy to admit they are not a lawyer second guessing the marking guidance in a highly complex and academic subject they know nothing about.

Astoufo · 21/08/2023 14:19

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 21/08/2023 13:30

Are 17 year olds ‘men’? I don’t think they are.

Men are adult human males and adulthood in the U.K. begins at 18.

Fine to replace man with adolescent or young man or male person- the point is there’s no sexual offence. Age of consent has been 16 for gay people too for decades now.

Astoufo · 21/08/2023 14:22

CriticalCondition · 21/08/2023 13:32

I wouldn’t trust her account now without more evidence.

The evidence will be put before the tribunal who will decide. That's the point. That's what I'm happy to contribute to. She is engaging the very best lawyers in the business on this. I trust them to know whether she's got a case, thanks. Not somebody who is happy to admit they are not a lawyer second guessing the marking guidance in a highly complex and academic subject they know nothing about.

Go for it! 😊 Be interesting to see how it all pans out.

CriticalCondition · 21/08/2023 14:36

As a PP said, Astoufo seems to be spending a considerable amount of time and effort on trying to discredit someone they have no connection with by speculating on stuff they can't see in a subject they know nothing about.
Yup, thankfully some actual you know, lawyers with expertise and access to all the evidence are going to decide how this 'pans out '.

GeraldTheGoodMouse · 21/08/2023 14:39

It is hard to believe that Akua Reindorf would take on a case such as this if it didn't have legs.

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 21/08/2023 14:41

Astoufo · 21/08/2023 14:19

Fine to replace man with adolescent or young man or male person- the point is there’s no sexual offence. Age of consent has been 16 for gay people too for decades now.

But a 17 year old adolescent boy isn’t the same as ‘other men’ because he’s not an adult.

Just thought it weird that you were casually blurring the lines between minors and adults when the discussion is very much about age difference.

RealityFan · 21/08/2023 16:06

MalcolmTuckersBollockingface · 20/08/2023 18:38

Yes, I have been agonising over this as well. I would love to do a postgrad in Psychology/Philosophy or retrain as an allied health professional but I am really scared of encountering all this crap, again. Incidentally. I left my undergrad degree with the OU, in Psychology, due to them shoehorning all this pernicious crap into the curriculum.

I hear you. Luckily I trained as a therapist in the free speech late 80s/early 90s, and despite my association having some tentacles from Stonewall, it's fairly light touch/woke agnostic. I get no mandatory pronouns or Maoist re training edicts.

Similarly I have staff working for me where we have a very laissez faire attitude.

I spent a year in CBT to rinse out my brain and refocus my emotions while learning not to punish myself, and a Philosophy degree/Masters would be a natural place to go.

It's a sad world where my attitude would be applauded by over two millenia of the greatest thinkers in history, yet failed by the intellectual pygmies of today who think they know better.

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Astoufo · 21/08/2023 18:22

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 21/08/2023 14:41

But a 17 year old adolescent boy isn’t the same as ‘other men’ because he’s not an adult.

Just thought it weird that you were casually blurring the lines between minors and adults when the discussion is very much about age difference.

Ok fair enough, that wasn’t my intention!

Astoufo · 21/08/2023 18:41

OldCrone · 21/08/2023 13:25

Sorry I meant I can’t independently verify what the tuition guidance said, like I can with the course material and assessment.

And none of us can independently verify what you're saying. Can you post some screenshots of the course material?

You seem very keen to discredit her. Is there a reason for this?

That’s a fair question. I am a gender critical academic so I’m very invested in improving the situation in universities. I got worried when I looked up the assessment and it didn’t seem to match her characterisation - if high profile cases like this turn out to be exaggerated or untrue it will make it harder to convince people there’s an actual problem. I have no personal beef with Almut.

I probably got a bit carried away trying to work out what might have happened - was thinking aloud on the forum and answering questions and trying to explain the module.

Assessments are confidential so pretty sure I can’t post screenshots on a public forum. I can DM them maybe?

ConnieSaks · 21/08/2023 23:52

@Astoufa why would anyone want to penalise a student who considers possible CC or grooming in a criminal law case? Wtf has the EDI department got to do with this and decide marks should be deducted? Very odd for a criminal law course assignment to be unable to consider all possible crimes - in fact incredibly shocking. With all due respect I get the impression you haven’t studied criminal law?

Personally I am very happy to support Almut and look forward to reading the judgement in this case - there have been some shocking cases in academia recently but this is even further off the scale imo (who knew that was possible!).

anyolddinosaur · 22/08/2023 07:23

You wouldnt normally deduct marks for including extra information, although if that meant they didnt answer the question you might do so. Able students would be perfectly capable of answering the question while still considering if there was another crime. They should be rewarded, not penalised, for considering anything potentially relevant.

Astoufo · 22/08/2023 08:19

This is the marking guidance for students (first image) - they are told they will not get marked for anything outside the module material. This is standard for entry level modules at the OU- students only use the module material, no secondary reading until later on.

The only mention of grooming in the module is in reference to county lines (second image).

Therefore students would not get marks for talking about sexual grooming. Because it’s not in the course.

Almut Gadow v Open University (again)
Almut Gadow v Open University (again)
ConnieSaks · 22/08/2023 09:31

Again why does the EDI department get to to decide? Questioning this is entirely reasonable!

And by the way in certain circumstances it is illegal for an adult to have sexual relations with a child under 18 and has been since 2010. In English law a 17 year old is a child. Why are you continuing to defend what to me appears to be the indefensible? Why can’t questions be raised? Is it not possible to query anything? @Astoufa how is this bullying by anyone other than the OU?

As @CriticalCondition points out; just as well real lawyers and judges will get to decide this case - not a bunch of hard of thinking administrators! Now that will be interesting!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/08/2023 09:40

And by the way in certain circumstances it is illegal for an adult to have sexual relations with a child under 18

This. Where there is any power dynamic involved, certain situations would indeed be best described as "grooming". My bold:

If your child has reached 16 or 17 (and legally able to consent to sex) this does not mean that they are no longer at risk of sexual exploitation.

Consent is defined in the Sexual Offences Act 2003, s.74 as an agreement by choice where the person concerned has the freedom and capacity to make that choice. In almost all cases involving grooming the child’s capacity is undermined by virtue of imbalance of power between the child and the perpetrator, the control exercised and the manipulation or use of force. This age group is covered by statutory duties under the Children Acts 1989 and 2004, and your child can still be subject to significant harm as a result of sexual exploitation.

The College of Policing Authorised Professional Practice Guidance on CSE is an important document for parents because it makes it clear that even if the child has reached the legal age of consent (16), the police have a duty to protect them from child sexual exploitation.

Your child’s needs should not be ignored or de-prioritised by services and agencies because your child is over the age of 16, or is no longer in mainstream education or training.

https://paceuk.info/infoadvice/if-your-child-is-over-16-years-of-age/

ConnieSaks · 22/08/2023 09:43

*2001 not 2010!

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 22/08/2023 09:46

Again why does the EDI department get to to decide? Questioning this is entirely reasonable!

Between this and the puffed up marks compared to other universities, I am starting to suspect that the OU is going to absolutely beclown itself in the various upcoming tribunals (is it 3 for the OU? I’m losing count!)

GeraldTheGoodMouse · 22/08/2023 11:04

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 22/08/2023 09:46

Again why does the EDI department get to to decide? Questioning this is entirely reasonable!

Between this and the puffed up marks compared to other universities, I am starting to suspect that the OU is going to absolutely beclown itself in the various upcoming tribunals (is it 3 for the OU? I’m losing count!)

It's not "puffed up" marks, they mark to a different scale and always have. An OU 85% is equivalent to 70% elsewhere, as has already been explained.

anyolddinosaur · 22/08/2023 11:07

You are either deliberately ignoring or just dont understand the difference between not getting marks for something and being penalised for it. If grooming IS mentioned in the module, even if not in this context, then it's not using material from outside the module. If grooming is not mentioned in this course maybe there is an (unsound) reason for that.

MalcolmTuckersBollockingface · 22/08/2023 11:22

anyolddinosaur · 22/08/2023 11:07

You are either deliberately ignoring or just dont understand the difference between not getting marks for something and being penalised for it. If grooming IS mentioned in the module, even if not in this context, then it's not using material from outside the module. If grooming is not mentioned in this course maybe there is an (unsound) reason for that.

Exactly. Students should be challenging assumptions and thinking around the question when an assignment or an exam question involves a potential scenario or a case study. This is not the same as randomly bringing in secondary sources and external materials.

dcbc1234 · 22/08/2023 11:40

mrshoho · 20/08/2023 08:29

Donated. I was shocked the first time reading around this and I'm still shocked rereading. It feels clear to me that this is a sinister deliberate ploy to change society's view of paedophilia. It is unbelievable how the majority will sleepwalk along with it and accept this 'new' Liberal way. Very brave of Almut to say no and to question. Our laws need to be clear to safeguard children.

This. I have to take my hats off to them. It is so clever to push their evil agenda in plain sight like this. It has worked as people are cowards.

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 22/08/2023 11:45

GeraldTheGoodMouse · 22/08/2023 11:04

It's not "puffed up" marks, they mark to a different scale and always have. An OU 85% is equivalent to 70% elsewhere, as has already been explained.

It’s a puffed up scale! 😂

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