The links between pornography and the transgender movement

[RebelliousCow]

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/08/16/how-pornography-forged-the-trans-movement/

That is a difficult article to read. I could not finish it. I do not need to know in such detail the depravities that some men seek for their sexual satisfaction. It's no wonder that people can't imagine the problems that trans ideology leads to and are so wedded to 'it could never happen'.

Well that is the biggest pile of excrement I have read in awhile. What a load of tosh.

Seems spot on to me. Do you deny the links to pornography? It's there for all to see.

How can it be whenprominent pro trans voices ( through the decades) have spoken very openly about the links with pornography, themselves?

"John Money, argued that young children should be shown explicit pornography in order to assist them in their ‘transition’, despite his somewhat contradictory assertion that one’s sense of being male or female becomes innate and fixed at an early age.

Pornography is what it feels like when you think you have an object, but really the object has you. It is therefore a quintessential expression of femaleness’, writes Chu. ‘Sissy porn did make me trans.’
In the following years, Chu would repeatedly reference the influence of pornography on his desire to take female hormones, and even to undergo surgery. In 2012, he told the NYC Trans Oral History Project: ‘My porn addiction had all along been waiting for something like sissy porn… It… demands you to imagine your experience of porn as something that’s turning you into a woman. Not just that you’re looking at people being turned into a woman, but that the act of looking turns you into a woman."

Well, knock me down with a feather.

"This is far from a fringe practice or perspective within the gender-ideology world. Even a prominent psychologist within the Gender Identity Clinic at the Tavistock in London previously called for normalising not only ‘sissification’, but also ‘age play’, furry fetishes, and a variety of sadomasochistic sexual practices, as ‘sexualities’. Dr Christina Richards, a male who identifies as a woman and now the lead psychologist and head of psychology at the London Gender Identity Clinic, co-authored a professional guide on sexuality and gender, which places fetishistic sexual practices on the same spectrum as heterosexuality, homosexuality and bisexuality"

Care to point out the falsehoods in it mishy? Come on. You can just say it is 'excrement' or 'tosh' without engaging with the article, but that just confirms in any new reader's mind that you are incapable of engaging in any thread with any thoughtful contribution.

How about this connection?

“Money was a New Zealand-American psychologist, sexologist and professor at Johns Hopkins University. Regarding ‘the use of explicit sexual pictures’, he wrote in his 1975 book, Sexual Signatures: On Being a Man or a Woman, that they ‘can and should be used as part of a child’s sex education’, and that the best time to introduce sexual content to children is before puberty has begun. ‘Prepubertal children are intellectually capable of understanding sex’, Money wrote. ‘They will no doubt find these pictures erotically stimulating, but as the novelty wears off, they will soon settle down.’”

”Money also recommended that young children watch adults engage in sexual intercourse, and that it should be explained to them as ‘a game adults play’, adding: ‘With guidance, the experience can be integrated into the child’s sex education and serve to reinforce his or her own gender identity.’

Was it false?

What about this:

“In 2018, Australian National University student Sophie Pezzutto – a man who identifies as transgender – travelled to Nevada and California to research pornography for his anthropology PhD. The following year, his research, ‘From Porn Performer to Porntropreneur’, was published by the International Journal of Gender Studies. Pezzutto notes that searches for transgender-themed pornography quadrupled between 2014 and 2017, and that ‘the overwhelming majority of trans porn revolves around trans women’ (that is, men who ‘identify as’ women).”

”Pezzutto also points out that the sex industry provides the revenue for cosmetic surgeries, particularly breast implants for men. ‘A large number of performers interviewed entered the industry at least in part to fund their transition. Sex work was for them a lucrative and, at the same time, empowering avenue to self-actualisation because it provided funds for prohibitively expensive surgeries’, he remarks.”

Was it false?

What about the references to Chu below? False?

“In the following years, Chu would repeatedly reference the influence of pornography on his desire to take female hormones, and even to undergo surgery. In 2012, he told the NYC Trans Oral History Project: ‘[M]y porn addiction had all along been waiting for something like sissy porn… It… demands you to imagine your experience of porn as something that’s turning you into a woman. Not just that you’re looking at people being turned into a woman, but that the act of looking turns you into a woman.’”

”Sissy porn, a shortened form of sissification pornography, is one of several genres that incorporate broader themes of forced feminisation, wherein a man is ostensibly ‘forced’ to transform into a woman, whether through the administration of hormones or the donning of makeup and lingerie.”

I mean. I am very happy to go through these with anyone and discuss how they relate and whether Genevieve has taken a false representation of these people's words and stories. Let's go!

Or, are you just going to scold and leave as per usual?

"California was where Virginia Prince, the man who popularised the term ‘transgender’, publicised the practice of male erotic crossdressing through his magazine, Transvestia:
‘You have to grow past the stage of being an erotically aroused male in a dress, which results eventually in an orgasm’, Prince, born Arnold Lowman, said in 1985. ‘But when the orgasm is over, if you continue to stay in the dress, you begin to discover there’s this other part of yourself. You cease being an erotically aroused male, and you simply become a man who comes to recognise that, gee, there’s something nice about girlness that I’m enjoying experiencing."

God that is depressing.

Whilst I agree with you that transactivists do talk the biggest load of old tosh anyone has the misfortune to listen to, I'm quite surprised that you have wanted to include quite so many of them in your enthusiastic criticism.

It really is. The escalation of men's desire to satisfy their sex drive knows no fucking bounds, whatsoever. Zero.

If only we could harness that uncontrollable salivation into fuel, we could solve climate change overnight.

Lilly Wachowski (the Matrix filmmaker) said that porn was the way Wachowski decided on being trans.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4810082-filmmaker-lilly-wachowski-explains-that-trans-pornography-made-him-trans

That there is a link between porn and the desire to transition for some people, at least, is pretty obvious if you read trans online sites for some months (or years). So is the erotic/sexual aspect of that transition for certain male transitioners.

And don’t forget the transmaxxers!!!

It's worth remembering, and has been mentioned on other threads, that the current expression of trans ideology (and unforunately male homosexualiy) has been corrupted by queer politics.

So the article looks at current public expression of the queer politics that created this, but doesn't look at the source.

Others have posted links to how queer politics distorted not only feminism, and same sex attraction, but the practice of sex.

So I am not saying the article isn't important but by reiterating what has been said elsewhere but not referring to the underlying influences means we could for years keep going, oh no look at this, but never work out why it keeps happening.

Isn't it!

Sorry meant to add this.

In the recent thread another detransitioner story, the young man concerned talked about how he was alienated from male homosexuality because its public representation via Pride etc., seemed to focus on fetishisation and S&M.

So dont want to turn this thread into WAM, but it is important to be aware that it is the power of queer politics that has coopted other movements that is what we need to be identifying.

I would really like to know what it is about 'girlness' that this person thinks they are experiencing by becoming sexually aroused and orgasmic and then calming down afterwards by wearing a dress, because I don't know any actual girls that do that.

Absolutely! The more time goes on, and the more that is revealed, the more this become self evident.

Yes, and also one other pretty determined underground movement that seeks to surface at every given opportunity, and by any means.

I'd say that is the underlying motivation, in one form or other, for all transitioners ( MTF)

Really good to see this article in a fairly mainstream publication.

It's a male perception of what a woman (or girl) is.

It's so far removed from the actual experience of women that it's impossible for us to understand.

Yes. Most people, once they get smacked over the head with it, realise they've been looking at it all along.