Stonewall should not advise; Minister speaks

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I thought this was interesting.

www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/15/health-minister-says-stonewall-should-not-write-gender-policies-for-nhs-bodies

It's a good statement by the Government except that I do not think that you need legislation to exclude Stonewall from public policy making?

They need to crack on and implement some of this. At the moment, if feels like the Tories are trying to mop up the gender critical vote by making statements that keep us happy, but not actually bothering to deliver anything.

Ditto Labour.

I'm not quite sure they've fathomed just how fucking angry women are.

Not yet.

"[Stonewall] has also increasingly become a target for conservative media outlets and Tory MPs seeking to leverage so-called “culture war” issues."

That's not a fact. It should read:

"Opinion is divided as to whether stories on Stonewall are about leveraging a so-called "culture-war""

That should not read as a fact.

This is a fact as it's provably true:

"In recent years bodies including the BBC and the Equality and Human Rights Commission have quit or opted not to renew their association with a diversity programme run by Stonewall."

Indeed! Get Stonewall (and the rest of the adult queer theory groups) out of the NHS & schools. I don't care whether they use the political impartiality requirements, safeguarding, rights of children to single sex facilities without having dodgy adults trying to remove them, the SRE guidance about age appropriateness gender ideology etc or what.
They've abandoned their once excellent advice on homophobic bullying and are now actively gaslighting children and openly removing the legal rights of women and girls - in the NHS & in schools.

Pretty much exactly the same as any other politician whatever party they are in then

I agree. Pull your finger out Tories, or you’re no better than Labour. Deeds, bot words.

That's letting them off too lightly. Politicians have got round to legislating for gay marriage, for example. Why aren't women's rights given equal priority, especially with so much evidence that they are under attack?

Stonewall said: “As the UK’s largest LGBTQ+ charity, it is appropriate that we work with a wide range of public bodies to help them understand and meet the needs of lesbian, gay, bi and trans people who rely on their services.”

In which case, the same public bodies then need to work with Fair Play for Women etc, to help them understand the needs of women, and then work out how to fix policy in a way that helps both. And as an L person, I absolutely do not agree with anything Stonewall says and they can get to fuck with trying to convince public bodies that I need anything Stonewall wants.

“In particular, trans people experience extensive discrimination in general healthcare, and waiting times for specialist services are often in excess of five years. It is vital that health services work with expert groups and trans people to improve those services.

Fine. Good. But the waiting times are no worse than any other group of patients, trans people are not a more important group than any other, and 'improving those services' cannot and must not be permitted to destroy equality, access and care for 52% of the population unlucky enough to have been born female and currently be living in the UK.

The issue is NOT that no one understands trans people, the issue is that what Stonewall wants is to destroy women's rights and services.

Rather than dismissing them as an ‘ideology’

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NO ONE THINKS TRANS PEOPLE ARE AN IDEOLOGY.

The ideology part is insisting that people can change sex, no one can mention sex and that women cannot be permitted privacy, dignity, words or identities of their own and being raped on hospital wards is for the greater good.

That part of it can fuck right off.

Stonewall is pure evil and needs to be shut down

As the UK’s largest LGBTQ+ charity, it is appropriate that we work with a wide range of public bodies to help them understand and meet the needs of lesbian, gay, bi and trans people who rely on their services

I'm still growling about this bit. I want the LGBA to go in to help those public bodies understand the other lesbian, gay and bi people's views and needs, and that Stonewall pushes what is good for Stonewall, and only admits to the existence of homosexual people who do precisely what they say. Which includes not being homosexual.

In a nutshell; exactly why Stonewall and all other extremist political groups who use access to push bias and control agendas without good faith and without being truly representative of the groups they claim to stand for, should not be allowed anywhere near public funded bodies. Never mind writing their policies.

Asked if the government had powers to intervene, Quince said it would have to pass legislation, but he added: “I would just gently say to trusts that they shouldn’t ever be putting ideology ahead of the views and concerns of patients, and indeed their own staff.”

Yes, "gently saying stuff" sounds like a great plan...

What he doesn't seem to appreciate is that the people drafting these policies aren't sat there thinking "oh, let's throw in a random bit of gender ideology here" - they don't see it as a distinct belief system in the slightest as it's simply their worldview. So standing in the corner quietly muttering something about watching out for harmful ideologies is the most pointless suggestion ever.

I honestly think Kier's head is so far up his own backside these days that he probably still thinks Labour women are just a little bit annoyed, but will still toe the party line when it comes down to it. I don't think it's even crossed his mind that some of us might actually vote against Labour!

Yeah, this. I don’t think Stonewall should be banned as an organisation, because I am generally against banning things. But we need decisive action from government to stop any lobby organisation being allowed this level of power and influence.