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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 13/08/2023 19:52

Horrendous

FannyCann · 13/08/2023 20:04

It's a particularly long and detailed story, full marks to the DM for such an in depth article.

Although he was seen by various doctors and psychologists along the way who affirmed him there were some checks along the way. It sounds as if this psychologist took the job seriously and wasn't prepared to just tick boxes. SHE ASKED THE RIGHT QUESTIONS. In the context of the affirmation model and various conversion therapy laws I think he was lucky.

And some deep instinct made him cancel scheduled operations...

"In May or June 2014, on the occasion of endocrinology tests, I went for a free psychological consultation as part of a day in the hospital.
Although it was just one visit which lasted about an hour and a half, it gave me a lot to think about. During this visit I did not admit that I was thinking about reversing the sex change.
I felt ashamed and when the psychologist brought up the subject directly, I denied it. But she asked me the right questions, and it made me think further.
In the summer of 2014, I decided to stop taking hormonal drugs. A little later, I admitted to my family that the sex change was a mistake. "

IwantToRetire · 13/08/2023 22:03

It is not without significance that my negative attitude towards gay people, important for further events, was also influenced by the image of homosexual people in the media.

They often showed pictures from pride parades, in which gays, fetishists, and exhibitionists were seen strangely dressed and acting in a disturbing way.

And I, like so many other homosexual men, absolutely did not identify with such patterns and behaviors. I don't identify with them to this day.

Such media coverage reinforced my belief that homosexuality was something strange and repulsive, and in any case related to disorders - since individuals who appear to be mentally and sexually disturbed are shown as gay and seem to be almost the only ones who openly talk about it.

I was not aware that the media message does not reflect reality, that there are many ordinary gays outside the clubbing, exhibitionist, parading subculture. I do not condemn the latter, but I do criticize it for going too far in the wrong direction.
Unfortunately, the stereotype of coarse, flashy, immature, and hysterical, theatrical or exhibitionist gays manifesting their sexuality is still promoted by the gay subculture and some mainstream media, thus harming the next generations of young homosexual boys.

As a child and teenager, I was under the delusion that this kind of provocative-aggressive style was standard for gay people, which became another cause of my denial of my orientation.

I gave up hope of finding a regular gay boyfriend because I started to think that 'normal' gays were almost non-existent.

Today, after many years of observing the LGBT activist community, I know that the reason for the dominance of such controversial people or motifs at parades is that in many LGBT organizations the greater influence on their form and activity had and still has not homosexual people but 'queers', fetishists, and other special activists who link up to the theme of homosexuality, which gathers more and more social sympathy.
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The dispute on this topic is different from the way it is currently stereotypically presented.

It is not, as activists portray it, that we have poor and oppressed transgender people on the good side of history and transphobic bigots on the other side who got bored of bullying gays and switched to trans people.

The fact is that a large part of the critics of transactivists (and their demands) are gays and lesbians (who in English-speaking countries have started to set up new organizations - LGB, without trans and non-binary people), and classic feminists. And more and more scientists, doctors and psychologists.

The right wing primarily captures and publicizes this conflict, but it is not the main party to the dispute here. Presenting it on the basis that anyone who is against the demands of transsexuals supports the right-wing, is a demagogic falsification of reality.

Personally, I am definitely closer to left-wing views and I would not like my story to be used for political games.

This is a very informative article. I hope more will read it but fear because it is quite long they wont.

But apart from describing his experience, him calling out the manipulation of gay men and lesbians by queer activism is really important.

Even if many people dont realise it, there needs to be much greater understanding of the wilful damage done by extreem queer activists.

ArabeIIaScott · 13/08/2023 22:40

Out of the whole article, this line really broke my heart:

'It sounds childish, but I was a teenager. '

Brave man. I wish him all the very best.

Snowypeaks · 14/08/2023 10:44

This article contains everything anyone needs to know about why transing children and young adults is wrong and how it happens.
Excellent piece showing the reality of transition.
MPs should read this.

@IwantToRetire
The parts you have quoted stood out for me, too.

PriOn1 · 14/08/2023 12:30

I thought his point about how Pride (specifically the overwhelming visibility of the sexual extremists) led him to conclude that he didn’t belong as a very ordinary gay man was very important.

That is exactly the kind of gap in representation that the LGB Alliance are trying to fill.

Snowypeaks · 14/08/2023 12:53

It's a pity he talks about "reversing" his sex change, though. It's misleading to the cursory reader. He didn't ever have GRS.

MrGHardy · 14/08/2023 13:03

"Today, after many years of observing the LGBT activist community, I know that the reason for the dominance of such controversial people or motifs at parades is that in many LGBT organizations the greater influence on their form and activity had and still has not homosexual people but 'queers', fetishists, and other special activists who link up to the theme of homosexuality, which gathers more and more social sympathy."

Yes, they jumped on gay rights bandwagon to push queer theory.

CorruptedCauldron · 14/08/2023 14:04

Snowypeaks · 14/08/2023 12:53

It's a pity he talks about "reversing" his sex change, though. It's misleading to the cursory reader. He didn't ever have GRS.

He kept his male body parts intact but he underwent surgery to remove breast tissue that had developed and is scarred from that. It sounds like he’s had a horrendous ordeal.

Snowypeaks · 14/08/2023 14:28

CorruptedCauldron · 14/08/2023 14:04

He kept his male body parts intact but he underwent surgery to remove breast tissue that had developed and is scarred from that. It sounds like he’s had a horrendous ordeal.

Yes, sorry - I forgot. I was focused on penile inversions or orchiectomies, and that it might give the impression (if anyone didn't read the full article) that they could be reversed.

Rudderneck · 14/08/2023 14:49

MrGHardy · 14/08/2023 13:03

"Today, after many years of observing the LGBT activist community, I know that the reason for the dominance of such controversial people or motifs at parades is that in many LGBT organizations the greater influence on their form and activity had and still has not homosexual people but 'queers', fetishists, and other special activists who link up to the theme of homosexuality, which gathers more and more social sympathy."

Yes, they jumped on gay rights bandwagon to push queer theory.

I also think there is a tendency in many kinds of organizations for more extreme people to set the agenda. I've noticed it in animal rescue groups for example.

If you are an average gay man who goes to a job and has a variety of friends and hobbies, none of which have much to do with your sexuality, you may not be all that interested in joining a group that runs Pride parades, for example.

The people who do tend to be more invested in identity questions, and who want to be part of a community centered around sexuality.

You aren't going to get Douglas Murray on that committee, because he thinks it's pretty dumb.

CorruptedCauldron · 14/08/2023 14:59

To be fair @Snowypeaks I think it’s difficult to fully reverse these transitions even if no surgery is involved. The drugs are so powerful. That’s why trans men (females) who detransition are often stuck with a deeper, more masculine voice than they’d otherwise have had. The drugs leave a lasting legacy.

Snowypeaks · 14/08/2023 15:12

CorruptedCauldron · 14/08/2023 14:59

To be fair @Snowypeaks I think it’s difficult to fully reverse these transitions even if no surgery is involved. The drugs are so powerful. That’s why trans men (females) who detransition are often stuck with a deeper, more masculine voice than they’d otherwise have had. The drugs leave a lasting legacy.

Agreed, I meant that the word reverse was a bit unfortunate, even though he was talking about a different process. The phrase "sex change" was what got my mind focused solely on penile inversion and orchiectomy. Growing breasts was a result of the female hormones and he didn't have implants, which is why I didn't think of it as gender reassignment surgery. I think we both agree that people need to understand that none of these changes is fully reversible, if at all.

Igmum · 15/08/2023 10:59

That poor child. I suspect he is the tip of the iceberg, that many other children are manipulated into this with zero protection from the medical establishment

musicalfrog · 15/08/2023 11:06

It must be very difficult to be a gay person (of any age) if for example you are an introvert or just not into all the rainbow stuff. I suspect many of them find it really cringe. How do you distance yourself from it?

Pride has a lot to answer for.

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