A third of Britons don’t know that transgender women were born male

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Really interesting piece of research from Murray Blackburn Mackenzie (MBM), asking people if they knew what a "transgender woman" was. They found that 35 per cent wrongly believed that a transgender woman was someone born female, or they were unsure. Apparently, they're even more confused about the term “trans woman”, with 40 per cent either being unsure or believing it meant someone who was registered female at birth.

In other words, when pollsters ask questions like "Do you think trans women should be allowed to use women's toilets/take part in women's sport/be housed in women's prisons?" a huge chunk of the answers are from people who think that trans women are biologically females.

[[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/06/third-of-britons-dont-know-trans-women-born-male/

Natal and assumed sex does for me. ( New woman, new man….)

counting the moments……

I started to take an interest in the subject about 5 or 6 years ago. At first, I found it confusing and thought, mistakenly, that trans men were men who thought they were women.

After some reading and discussion on another forum, I twigged.

As others have said, the obfuscation is entirely deliberate.

And there you have it! We need simple, clear terms, I'll wait for that, shall I?

I am not surprised at all. Even when posters try to politely explain when someone has misunderstood /got it wrong, they get a load of abuse. Some people just cannot understand it and, of course, that is the whole point of the whole ideology using misleading terminology.
We need to stop using the trans prefix and use clear language using the sex of the person and adding the gender identity they claim to be. Even if it means using more words.

It's funny how much monitoring there is of women on this board. Somehow the monitors seemed to have failed to notice that this is now out in the wild. Look at this article in the Telegraph about the woman at the private Princess Grace hospital whose believes that her privacy was deliberately invaded by a transwoman nurse.

There are over 3,100 comments and increasing all the time :

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/06/teresa-steele-same-sex-care-denied-surgery-nhs-london-hca/

It was discussed on here:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4658807-hospital-refuses-to-operate-on-sex-attack-victim-after-she-requests-all-female-care-because-she-fears-mixed-sex-facilities-are-unsafe-for-women

The Monitoring does help but I actually think it’s the acronyms that provide the biggest barrier to understanding.

Astonished that my innocuous comment was deleted. Looks like MN has recruited some very ideologically partial moderators.

Apologies my post should have read The Monitoring does N’T help but I actually think it’s the acronyms that provide the biggest barrier to understanding.

Somehow the monitors seemed to have failed to notice that this is now out in the wild.

Which does, in essence, mean our job is done. Despite the frantic reporting and the tacit political bias in moderation.

"They found that 35 per cent wrongly believed that a transgender woman was someone born female"

I can't read the article, but how many of these 35 percent are simply reflecting the non-GC belief that transwomen ARE born female, just "in a man's body"?

@Froodwithatowel I agree, I’m not British but I’ve never loved this country more than watching the emergence of “Terf Island”

Definitely a possibility.

I should think very few of them. It's simply that the terms have confused some people. I never use the terms transwomen or transmen anyway, that's far too polite for me.

I think a lot of the general public still think of Hayley Cropper when they hear 'transwoman'. This character was played by a petite woman and is in no way representative of the average male person who identifies as a transwoman.

I also think there's a huge number of people who would be shocked to realise that the vast majority of transwomen have a fully functioning penis. You so often hear naïve comments along the lines of, "why would someone go to all the trouble to transition just to get into women's showers?"

They obviously don't realise that grabbing pink leggings and a wig from Primark is literally all you need to do to transition.

Considering that at least 6% of Catholic priests in Boston were found to have abused children, and it takes many years to become a priest, it's obvious that some bad men go to huge lengths in order to access victims.

I'm so confused. Why can't we say Trans Identifying Man? Could a moderator explain?

What is the term that keeps getting deleted?

Could posters put it in a simple code, eg 1=A, 2=B etc?

I think the post immediately above you has stated it. Yes, it's that easily missed.

Are we not allowed to say Trans Identified Men? I thought that was okay, so that cannot be it. Confused. 🙄

It seems not still.

Looking at the granular data in the MBM report, it's fascinating that only 55% of the Lib Dem voters polled know a "trans woman" is male. The lowest of all parties. Given their highly trans inclusive stance.

Also more conservatives understood the term correctly than Labour voters.

Perhaps it's just the acronym that's forbidden?

can't read the article, but how many of these 35 percent are simply reflecting the non-GC belief that transwomen ARE born female, just "in a man's body"?

Because the terminology used by the poll is "registered at birth", not born male/female.

But even the article uses transwoman and transgender woman to mean bio male, to me tw is male but the second surely means a bio woman who is trans so a tm?